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this is Ross coultart and you are

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listening to that UFO podcast

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hey everyone and welcome back to that

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UFO podcast as always my name is Andy

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and just want to start off by thanking

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everyone for the feedback from the

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recent George Knapp interview obviously

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it was a great honor and pleasure for me

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speaking to someone like George Knapp

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and it certainly stirred up a little bit

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of controversy particularly George

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talking about security clearances that

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he may not have been offered in the past

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and his comment of uh alien bodies being

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thrown in there certainly was uh I had a

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lot of DMS about that put it that way

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from from some familiar faces you might

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have heard about

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um later myself this uh later this week

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myself and Dan are going to record a

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little bit of a bonus show and we are

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going to be discussing understudied and

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underappreciated aspects of the

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phenomenon uh upcoming shows after that

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we'll have some bricks on Malcolm

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Robinson pulse and Claire and then Steve

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on in the month also just confirmed Tim

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McMillan is going to be coming back on

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for the part two and Tim will be

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discussing the debrief uh the UAP task

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force reporting a little bit more as

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well so stay tuned for all of but very

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much been looking forward to the podcast

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today I say that all the time but I am

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looking forward to this one a little bit

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extra it's rescheduled from a few weeks

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ago on the Pod with me uh is Ryan

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Bledsoe who is family as you have

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probably had the surname is one of the

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most foremost experiences of phenomenon

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not just the phenomenon but phenomenon

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on the planet so thanks for coming on

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Ryan welcome to the podcast

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thank you Andy I'm happy to be here

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sorry about the reschedule but it seemed

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to kind of line up really nice today so

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it has no no less than that it's worked

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out absolutely fine man and people have

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got lives that go on in the background

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do these things as well

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um but it's great to have you on uh a

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ton of last night questions a ton of

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interest in this one even when it got

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rescheduled had loads of messages and

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emails of when Ryan coming on so uh very

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much let's get into it because there's a

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lot to go through as well now I want to

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start right at the top right for anyone

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who doesn't know yourself or your

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family's story of which there will be

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some listeners where does it begin and

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how far back does your family's

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okay so the story

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um in its official capacity begins in

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2007 I'm sure most people who are aware

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of who I am know that my dad is um

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Christopher lens Bledsoe senior he had

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his initial

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um you know major encounter in 2007 but

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as I said on um Fade to Black with Jimmy

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Church recently we did actually

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see something some years before that but

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it wasn't anything super crazy it was

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just like a light in the sky but it was

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very close we knew it wasn't a plane

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um maybe 2001 but again in the official

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capacity it begins in 2007 without a

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doubt um did you want me to go into that

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at all or just we just kind of yeah yeah

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please lesson tell it tell us what's

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been going on tell us what's happening

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okay so in 2007 my father

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um was really down and out

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it's you know basically incurable

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he was running a huge construction

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operation which obviously requires a lot

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of mental fortitude and between the

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Crohn's and the stress he was seeing a

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doctor at the time who in the community

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was it was later found out that he gave

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medications and it nearly killed my

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father he was actually pronounced dead

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triglyceride count being so high that

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his body just couldn't make it anymore

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he had an out-of-body experience not

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many people know this I don't know if my

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dad's ever mentioned it but um it he was

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revived and you know it kind of messed

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so distraught from you know being ill

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he went out to the river fishing and he

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basically said God kill me or heal me

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you know take me away or make things

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right with me I'm giving it to you

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giving my life to you and

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saw the lights in the sky I could just

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gloss over that a little bit because I'm

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sure your listeners and in some way know

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the story and have heard it millions of

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the in the um you know evening sky and

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he had four hours of missing time walked

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back down to the embankment where the

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river is and my brother was searching

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for my dad for hours and on top of that

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for two hours he was pinned down in the

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woods and when I say pinned down I don't

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they looked at him so for for about two

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hours there my brother was just like in

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shock in horror staring at these glowing

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beings and then

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sometime before that they had also been

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searching for my dad so four hours of

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missing time it was a you know full-on

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contact thing and um here we are today

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experiences the the story that like you

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say you've you've kind of glossed over

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because it's been told so many times and

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that is the whole story and that is an

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experience with the phenomenon but for

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your father and your family that's the

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beginning of so much more that's gone on

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since and and continues to happen to

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this day and that's what we're going to

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look at and that's what makes the story

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that's happening still

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even more so that it started with your

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dad but you've got more and more

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media presence I don't know if that's an

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age thing

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stupid to say you're younger than your

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father because most people are younger

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than their fathers that's how it tends

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to work biologically uh but you've got

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really involved and you talk to people

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that and obviously gravitate towards

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that as well now you did mention your

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father before it had started had that

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out of body experience and that's not

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what then happened later on do you think

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that the phenomenon is that almost a

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gateway to what's happened

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100 now I'm not sure if this is anything

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that my father has mentioned but you

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um relationship of being his son I've

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probably had more chats with him about

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this than anybody in the world and I

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remember things that we've discussed

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that he doesn't remember when he's

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speaking publicly and I could tell you

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some of the interest has come from the

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near-death experiences like John B

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Alexander Colonel John Alexander

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thanatology are you familiar with

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Colonel John B Alexander like project

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for the listener who doesn't know he's

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very involved with our family

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um he has written a book recently called

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reality denied and he wanted my dad to

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be the first chapter and the editor said

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no no you need an intro make a chapter

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two but um John was very interested in

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because he's had two out of body ndes

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when my dad was nine or ten years old he

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was shot in the back on accident by his

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best friend in a hunting

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um accident with a shotgun and he was he

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pellets were centimeters away from his

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heart there's a giant scar

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behind his heart on his back to this day

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tried to remove the pellets it would

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have destroyed his heart like he still

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has pellets in his body it was it was

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very a brutal accident he missed um the

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rest of whatever school year he was in

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of his whole nde thing and my entire

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life and his entire life everyone asked

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contact thing in 2007 he always says the

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my body and I was on a platform and I

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went into space

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um he remembers kind of like the Silver

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just going in into space it was it was

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out of body so then before 2007 when he

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dead um from his medical ailments or

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but his body or his his I guess you

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could say Spirit or Consciousness left

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his body and he read the name tag of the

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doctor in the room freaked my mom out so

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bad that uh he knew the doctor's name

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that he didn't meet while he was awake

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I've heard that one pretty much my whole

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life too so John B Alexander uh invited

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my father and I to a um

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like a conference he was speaking at at

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the Rhine center near um Duke University

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a lot of people will know what the Rhine

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JB Ryan anyway so Dr John Alexander gave

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an entire present presentation on ndes

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and in his opinion near-death

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experiences can be a catalyst for this

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sort of activity and it just so happens

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to somewhere else or something else but

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that has something to do with it

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directly

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and that's another and I saying says

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unique I don't mean just me talking to

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you but when you speak it's so much of

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the stories around your dad and your

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family but you're involved as well so

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for any listeners who maybe new up to

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the story that's why we're talking a lot

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about about Chris bledso senior as well

285
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and obviously Ryan's come more and more

286
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into it as we'll discuss but how does

287
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your dad feel Ryan about your sharing

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you know his story and you know coming

289
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on podcasts like myself Jimmy Church

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whatever you do whatever you've done is

291
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he totally comfortable with everything

292
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you do is it anything he discusses that

293
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he says don't talk about this don't talk

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um at first because of our option

295
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agreement with Hollywood

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he didn't necessarily want me going out

297
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and speaking and that's why in the past

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I've had to turn down lots of interviews

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and um around December some personal

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friends of mine asked me like would you

301
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like to do an interview on so-and-so

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show this show that show whatever and I

303
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said dad what do you think

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and he looked at me said you're a grown

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man son if you want to go talk you go

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talk I'm not going to tell you no

307
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anymore and I said okay and then I

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started talking and he's getting

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hundreds and hundreds of messages from

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people all around the world saying Chris

311
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I heard your son speak and what he's

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doing for you and your family is

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wonderful so now dad's all for it he

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thinks it's like you know thank God I'm

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not out here by myself anymore so you

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know my dad stands by me he's he's very

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proud that I'm feeling compelled to um

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in some way vindicate my family's name

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you know I'm a grown man now I'm 27 I'm

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not 13 so I think it's my turn to take

321
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some of the load off of my father and

322
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help him out with some of the things

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that he may or may not articulate that

324
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I've been pondering since childhood does

325
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that make sense absolutely yeah and like

326
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I said at the start people are

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appreciating that as well and you are

328
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younger you've got that knack for social

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media particularly and you can go out

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and tell that story as well and I again

331
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you're coming at it even though you're

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obviously you're your Father's son and

333
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you experience this in a way that almost

334
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no one else has except your father

335
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you you can see it through other

336
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people's eyes as well given your age and

337
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the story and other things and culture

338
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you'll have experienced as well but for

339
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you what was it like growing up around

340
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the phenomenon and do you have like any

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of your earliest memories for like

342
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sightings or experiences you want to

343
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share

344
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yeah

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um

346
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you know as I'm getting older

347
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I'm realizing that although I've

348
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consciously loved this experience and I

349
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would never trade it for anything

350
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unconsciously it's very traumatic

351
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because it's like you know you've heard

352
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the story the turmoil in the household I

353
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mean I was 13 years old that's that's

354
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very young and I've now lived more than

355
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half of my life as this experiencer in

356
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the spotlight or whatever

357
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than having not lived this life so it's

358
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it's more a part of me now than not and

359
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it will be more a part of me going

360
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forward than it ever you know does that

361
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make sense yeah absolutely yeah so um

362
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you know I've always consciously really

363
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enjoyed everything that happened but

364
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it's definitely

365
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it's taken me some time to reconcile

366
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that because of this experience is the

367
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way that I am as an adult my earliest

368
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memories of these signings not the one

369
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that I talked about that was like 2002

370
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but in 2000

371
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maybe

372
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2007 after the experience my mom and my

373
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dad they were really button heads

374
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um I've spoken about this before but we

375
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were very

376
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very

377
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strict

378
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just rules and regulations to talk with

379
00:14:14,629 --> 00:14:11,940
God kind of thing and the UFO thing is

380
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not welcome in that belief system so it

381
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was a lot of turmoil and Chaos in our

382
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house

383
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um

384
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I lived through the horror of you know

385
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seeing that reconciliation as a very

386
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young child and

387
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I I guess where I'm going with this is

388
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in those days my dad was so desperate to

389
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prove that it was really happening and

390
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it wasn't evil and it wasn't crazy that

391
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hundreds if not thousands of times he

392
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would grab us and say they're out here

393
00:14:44,389 --> 00:14:41,279
right now let's go look let's go look

394
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and um we had hundreds or thousands of

395
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sightings in those days just seeing

396
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lights in the sky you know out the

397
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window the first time I can remember is

398
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definitely in 2007 or very early 2008

399
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when all six of us in my family were

400
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sitting on the couch

401
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peering through the blinds and there's

402
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lights in the sky bobbin and weaving and

403
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all kinds of stuff and I knew it was

404
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real from the moment he told me but when

405
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I started seeing it I said okay this is

406
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very real you know

407
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so as early as I can remember we've

408
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basically been having these um sightings

409
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as a family and still do

410
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and the language you use they are and

411
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that was we were very strictly religious

412
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is that something that has then changed

413
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since the Satan's happened and kept up

414
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as it had to change

415
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it's changed for me

416
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um

417
00:15:39,949 --> 00:15:37,740
you know

418
00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:39,959
as a child when you're seeing things

419
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that you know are real

420
00:15:47,569 --> 00:15:43,940
and you're being told that they're not

421
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it makes you question everything you

422
00:15:50,810 --> 00:15:48,660
know

423
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um if the government or somebody says

424
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:52,740
the lights are not real but I'm seeing

425
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them

426
00:15:57,949 --> 00:15:55,500
I'm gonna go with what I'm seeing and

427
00:16:01,910 --> 00:15:57,959
what I'm experiencing so no I don't

428
00:16:03,949 --> 00:16:01,920
think that I fit into a box of any sort

429
00:16:07,129 --> 00:16:03,959
of religious expression I think that the

430
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:07,139
true truth is true whether we write

431
00:16:10,370 --> 00:16:08,399
about it whether we talk about it

432
00:16:11,870 --> 00:16:10,380
whether we believe it or not I'm just

433
00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:11,880
trying to figure out what it really is

434
00:16:18,050 --> 00:16:15,120
behind the curtain you know and I think

435
00:16:20,689 --> 00:16:18,060
these lights are trying to show us that

436
00:16:23,210 --> 00:16:20,699
God and Consciousness and you know

437
00:16:25,610 --> 00:16:23,220
reality itself is

438
00:16:26,509 --> 00:16:25,620
um not meant to be held in any form of

439
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box

440
00:16:31,550 --> 00:16:29,100
so I would not say that I'm religious I

441
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would say that I'm definitely deeply

442
00:16:35,930 --> 00:16:34,199
spiritual because of this and I know

443
00:16:38,210 --> 00:16:35,940
that anybody tells me that you know

444
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:38,220
spirituality and UFOs have nothing to do

445
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,040
together I don't even listen to them I I

446
00:16:45,290 --> 00:16:43,440
just think that they are not on the

447
00:16:46,430 --> 00:16:45,300
right track

448
00:16:50,329 --> 00:16:46,440
so

449
00:16:52,189 --> 00:16:50,339
couple of your death experiencies we're

450
00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:52,199
talking that we I would agree that

451
00:16:57,290 --> 00:16:54,000
there's potentially opened up some sort

452
00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:57,300
of bridge or Gateway or connection to

453
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:00,480
the phenomenon why has or why do you

454
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:02,399
think it's persisted though with not

455
00:17:06,350 --> 00:17:04,559
only your father but your family for so

456
00:17:08,990 --> 00:17:06,360
long now that it's kept happening when

457
00:17:10,850 --> 00:17:09,000
for others when I've heard about this it

458
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:10,860
seems to have almost been a a one and

459
00:17:16,669 --> 00:17:12,959
done experience or at least that we hear

460
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:19,189
I don't know you know

461
00:17:25,490 --> 00:17:22,319
um our friends in the CIA think it

462
00:17:27,169 --> 00:17:25,500
could have something to do with our DNA

463
00:17:29,570 --> 00:17:27,179
um I've questioned this my entire life

464
00:17:32,110 --> 00:17:29,580
Why Us why my family

465
00:17:36,289 --> 00:17:32,120
um and I think it just boils down to

466
00:17:38,810 --> 00:17:36,299
Serendipity and it's like right place

467
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:38,820
right time we were chosen in that moment

468
00:17:42,049 --> 00:17:40,320
I don't know

469
00:17:44,450 --> 00:17:42,059
um just kind of like freebasing my

470
00:17:46,370 --> 00:17:44,460
thoughts here maybe it has to do with

471
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:46,380
everybody has their own role to play and

472
00:17:51,470 --> 00:17:49,440
some people just have roles to play on a

473
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scale that's a little larger than others

474
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and my dad

475
00:17:59,510 --> 00:17:55,640
um could have come here

476
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to live this life and tell this story so

477
00:18:03,770 --> 00:18:01,020
that it could help people and I will say

478
00:18:06,830 --> 00:18:03,780
this in my father's first regression

479
00:18:09,230 --> 00:18:06,840
during the initial mufon investigation

480
00:18:10,970 --> 00:18:09,240
in the Discovery Channel documentary one

481
00:18:13,310 --> 00:18:10,980
of the things that was said that he's

482
00:18:14,210 --> 00:18:13,320
never discussed was that

483
00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:14,220
um

484
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:17,340
the beings told him that they brought

485
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his soul here

486
00:18:23,690 --> 00:18:22,080
to live this life for this reason so I

487
00:18:25,130 --> 00:18:23,700
don't know I think it's weird I think

488
00:18:28,450 --> 00:18:25,140
that this whole stuff is weird I think

489
00:18:31,570 --> 00:18:28,460
UFOs are weird and um

490
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you know I I don't know the answer

491
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[Music]

492
00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:35,520
so what we've talked about the

493
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experiences of which there have been

494
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thousands and it's almost the norm for

495
00:18:42,650 --> 00:18:41,520
you and your family now given what

496
00:18:45,529 --> 00:18:42,660
you've went through and for the length

497
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:45,539
of time so let's just list some of the

498
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,000
experiencies you've had and we can

499
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,160
umbrella this now that phenomenon just

500
00:18:54,110 --> 00:18:52,320
under that umbrella term but um

501
00:18:56,450 --> 00:18:54,120
obviously UFOs so you're seeing lights

502
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,460
in the sky what about physical physical

503
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,320
craft

504
00:19:02,210 --> 00:19:00,720
yes I've seen those

505
00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:02,220
I have

506
00:19:07,010 --> 00:19:04,020
what sort of type scene in particular

507
00:19:09,169 --> 00:19:07,020
shapes or how close

508
00:19:15,289 --> 00:19:11,990
when I was about 14 or 15 I saw some

509
00:19:16,970 --> 00:19:15,299
lights in the sky that looked kind of

510
00:19:18,590 --> 00:19:16,980
like an ice cream cone I couldn't tell

511
00:19:20,210 --> 00:19:18,600
if it was it was nighttime so I couldn't

512
00:19:21,650 --> 00:19:20,220
tell if it was one thing with just

513
00:19:23,450 --> 00:19:21,660
lights on it I couldn't tell if it was

514
00:19:25,490 --> 00:19:23,460
three separate lights but when I say ice

515
00:19:28,370 --> 00:19:25,500
cream cone it was like

516
00:19:31,850 --> 00:19:28,380
like a comb like you know a triangle but

517
00:19:36,169 --> 00:19:31,860
really long yeah we have I've seen the

518
00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:36,179
thing back in like 2002 2001 ish that

519
00:19:40,130 --> 00:19:38,520
was green it looked kind of like a blimp

520
00:19:42,409 --> 00:19:40,140
and I think there's two theories for

521
00:19:44,029 --> 00:19:42,419
that I think that these beings uh don't

522
00:19:46,190 --> 00:19:44,039
play by the rules of our reality and

523
00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:46,200
they can appear that way if they wish or

524
00:19:51,890 --> 00:19:49,260
I think that the government has

525
00:19:55,310 --> 00:19:51,900
um some crafts that we don't know about

526
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:55,320
but I do not subscribe to the idea that

527
00:19:59,450 --> 00:19:56,640
aliens are coming here from other

528
00:20:01,730 --> 00:19:59,460
planets and their little nuts and bolts

529
00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:01,740
frisbees just to like accidentally fly

530
00:20:06,110 --> 00:20:03,780
over people and mess with them I don't I

531
00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:06,120
don't subscribe to that

532
00:20:09,770 --> 00:20:08,520
and that's something I was going to get

533
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:09,780
to earlier but you've brought up so

534
00:20:14,750 --> 00:20:12,240
let's talk about it I know anyway

535
00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:14,760
um would you say then that we don't have

536
00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:17,220
ETS visiting the planet at all

537
00:20:20,570 --> 00:20:19,020
uh do you think that is not something

538
00:20:22,130 --> 00:20:20,580
that happens or would you subscribe to

539
00:20:24,049 --> 00:20:22,140
that it's just not happening to your

540
00:20:27,049 --> 00:20:24,059
family in this instance or just I'd love

541
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:27,059
to know your thoughts on that

542
00:20:32,090 --> 00:20:30,480
okay so my initial thought on that is

543
00:20:34,010 --> 00:20:32,100
um

544
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,020
I think that's the LIE

545
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:36,960
I think that's the entire lie is that we

546
00:20:42,350 --> 00:20:39,840
are being told to believe or led to

547
00:20:44,150 --> 00:20:42,360
believe through Decades of Hollywood

548
00:20:45,650 --> 00:20:44,160
programming that there are ETS from

549
00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:45,660
other planets

550
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,400
um I don't think that's the case I think

551
00:20:50,210 --> 00:20:48,960
maybe it's possible I'm not going to say

552
00:20:52,730 --> 00:20:50,220
it's not but I don't think that's what's

553
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,740
Happening Here I believe this phenomenon

554
00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:54,000
is

555
00:20:58,909 --> 00:20:56,700
um intensely interdimensional and I've

556
00:21:01,789 --> 00:20:58,919
had some private chats with many private

557
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:01,799
chats with the likes of Jim semivan

558
00:21:06,110 --> 00:21:03,840
um Tyler d as he's known in American

559
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:06,120
Cosmic and the conversations that we're

560
00:21:17,330 --> 00:21:15,590
not complicated if that makes sense yeah

561
00:21:19,010 --> 00:21:17,340
um I really do think it's

562
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:19,020
interdimensional I think it's spiritual

563
00:21:24,650 --> 00:21:20,880
I think what we have to do is take this

564
00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:24,660
box that language confines our concepts

565
00:21:27,169 --> 00:21:26,340
of reality and we have to throw it out

566
00:21:29,409 --> 00:21:27,179
the door

567
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,419
and we have to understand that spiritual

568
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,679
interdimensional they're the same thing

569
00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:33,360
it's a higher reality that we don't

570
00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:35,220
understand and that these beings are

571
00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:37,740
existing in a place that is near us it's

572
00:21:41,690 --> 00:21:39,240
around us

573
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,700
but it doesn't play by our rules

574
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,679
you know higher frequency whatever

575
00:21:47,630 --> 00:21:45,600
that's what I've been indicated by some

576
00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:47,640
of these people that um even they

577
00:21:51,890 --> 00:21:49,980
believe is going on and then you know

578
00:21:54,649 --> 00:21:51,900
when you say that on the internet from a

579
00:21:56,510 --> 00:21:54,659
place of experience and and knowledge

580
00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:56,520
um what do people do they say no that's

581
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:59,700
crazy because they're programmed by

582
00:22:04,850 --> 00:22:02,159
Decades of Hollywood films to believe

583
00:22:08,090 --> 00:22:04,860
what they've learned from Authority

584
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:08,100
it's aliens from other places well I

585
00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:09,600
don't think that's it

586
00:22:15,049 --> 00:22:12,840
and like you say it it could be it may

587
00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:15,059
not be because we genuinely don't know

588
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,700
or it could be all of the above it could

589
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,200
be a little of this a little of that and

590
00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:20,880
that's obviously what I love talking

591
00:22:24,529 --> 00:22:22,919
about in this subject anyway you

592
00:22:26,210 --> 00:22:24,539
mentioned before Ryan

593
00:22:27,470 --> 00:22:26,220
um and I was going to ask about visitors

594
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,480
to the ranch

595
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,520
um feel after agencies

596
00:22:33,049 --> 00:22:31,440
that have been potentially in the past

597
00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:33,059
and you said you know friends and the

598
00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:35,400
CIA can you talk about some of the

599
00:22:38,930 --> 00:22:36,900
people that have visited the ranch

600
00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:38,940
outside of you know friends and family

601
00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:41,340
or mufon that we've heard about I spoke

602
00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:43,500
to Chase klutzky and she talked about

603
00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:45,000
how the experience and time on the

604
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,980
Rancher and your family she speaks very

605
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:48,720
highly of you as well

606
00:22:52,909 --> 00:22:49,440
um

607
00:22:54,169 --> 00:22:52,919
who else if you can't name them has been

608
00:22:55,549 --> 00:22:54,179
to the ranch and what have those

609
00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:55,559
experiences potentially been from

610
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,760
Outsiders

611
00:23:00,770 --> 00:22:58,799
I can pretty much name anybody who's

612
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:00,780
been to our property

613
00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:03,360
um I just can't like

614
00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:07,020
say everything they've said you know but

615
00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:08,280
um there's a lot of these folks that

616
00:23:12,110 --> 00:23:10,020
we've met not on our property but like

617
00:23:13,970 --> 00:23:12,120
on their property or at a mutual

618
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,980
friend's property to get down to the

619
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:15,120
nitty-gritty

620
00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:18,720
we have had um we've had the Central

621
00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:20,460
Intelligence Agency

622
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,260
we have been in Communications with

623
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,240
members of the NSA

624
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:26,400
um Kepler Aerospace

625
00:23:31,310 --> 00:23:27,919
NASA

626
00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:31,320
the OSS Believe It or Not which was the

627
00:23:36,289 --> 00:23:34,260
precursor to the CIA Army intelligence

628
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,299
Air Force intelligence Naval

629
00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:38,159
intelligence

630
00:23:42,409 --> 00:23:40,200
um you know you name it they've all been

631
00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:42,419
in some way to our property

632
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:43,980
um

633
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:47,400
Tyler D is probably the only name well

634
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,960
there's actually a few people in NASA

635
00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:50,640
who were associated with Tyler D whose

636
00:23:57,049 --> 00:23:54,360
names are also covert covert but um you

637
00:23:59,090 --> 00:23:57,059
know he was in the OR is in the nro

638
00:24:02,169 --> 00:23:59,100
which is a joint operation between the

639
00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:02,179
Air Force the CIA and NASA

640
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:04,140
so

641
00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:05,940
um

642
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,100
what what specifically did you want me

643
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,080
to go into just like names of people or

644
00:24:15,289 --> 00:24:13,440
or so any particular experiences they

645
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:15,299
may have had well they've been there as

646
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:17,280
well no you have named a whole range of

647
00:24:22,610 --> 00:24:20,640
organizations and agencies but what are

648
00:24:24,770 --> 00:24:22,620
they necessarily wanting to do to visit

649
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,780
the property okay just to have that

650
00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:25,919
experience

651
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:29,940
to see what they can learn from it like

652
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,220
I know Tyler Durden who again for the

653
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,600
listener if they don't know who this guy

654
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:35,340
is it's an alias for someone whose

655
00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:37,500
identity is is covert

656
00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:39,480
um he's he's beneficial in the

657
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:40,980
Department of Defense

658
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:46,080
and he came to our property and told my

659
00:24:50,330 --> 00:24:48,360
dad that he was tasked with learning

660
00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:50,340
about the phenomenon from a spiritual

661
00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:53,100
perspective he thought it was all aliens

662
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:55,080
and all that stuff and his higher up

663
00:24:59,870 --> 00:24:58,799
even higher than him the hammer said you

664
00:25:02,270 --> 00:24:59,880
need to go learn about this from a

665
00:25:04,970 --> 00:25:02,280
spiritual perspective so he looked us up

666
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,980
came to our property he tested us with

667
00:25:09,169 --> 00:25:06,799
some medals he handed us these exotic

668
00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:09,179
medals and when we touched him this

669
00:25:12,649 --> 00:25:10,740
electricity went through our body and he

670
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,659
looked to my dad and he was like dude

671
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,640
why you like why were you chosen for

672
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:16,559
this my dad said I don't know what just

673
00:25:20,330 --> 00:25:17,880
happened to me this electricity just

674
00:25:21,890 --> 00:25:20,340
went through my body you know it freaked

675
00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:21,900
um Tyler Durham out

676
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,080
and he spent a few years chatting with

677
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:26,880
us and telling us some things he showed

678
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,760
us like a PowerPoint slide that was um

679
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:31,440
kind of like some semi-classified

680
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:33,000
information that we're not really

681
00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:34,380
supposed to talk about stuff about area

682
00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:36,059
51.

683
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,700
and basically his whole mission was to

684
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:41,279
learn about the spiritual phenomenon or

685
00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:42,900
the phenomenon from a spiritual angle

686
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,820
and it got to the point to where my dad

687
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:46,679
wanted to help him so much he said you

688
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,360
know what I know a religious professor

689
00:25:51,890 --> 00:25:50,640
in Wilmington North Carolina let me

690
00:25:54,769 --> 00:25:51,900
introduce you to her and that's how

691
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:54,779
American Cosmic was born Diana was

692
00:25:59,630 --> 00:25:57,840
actually writing a book about my dad and

693
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,640
that never happened for whatever reason

694
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,440
and she switched gears and then it

695
00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:04,320
became about this Tyler D figure and um

696
00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:06,179
you know my dad kind of got that ball

697
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:07,620
rolling

698
00:26:13,010 --> 00:26:10,860
and when he was on our property we took

699
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:13,020
him to the Burning Tree

700
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:16,320
and he saw a silver snake inside the

701
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,120
Burning Tree just like was sitting there

702
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:20,640
a little harmless snake

703
00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:22,980
and he looked at my dad and he said you

704
00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:24,299
know my grandmother was a Cherokee

705
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,740
Native American

706
00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:27,600
and she always told me from a young age

707
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,340
that seeing a silver snake is a sign of

708
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:31,679
good luck so meeting you was by no

709
00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:32,940
accident

710
00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:34,860
so what I'm trying to instill into

711
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,419
people is that these high-level

712
00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:38,640
conversations

713
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,179
are not just about spinning frisbees

714
00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:44,400
they're they're very complicated they're

715
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,100
very weird it's about Dimensions it's

716
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:49,440
about symbols

717
00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:52,980
symbols symbolism very important is how

718
00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:55,799
they communicate to us which was told to

719
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:57,720
me directly by Jim Simeon I'm just

720
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:59,580
trying to instill that into people so

721
00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:00,840
that you know they understand where I'm

722
00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:03,179
coming from

723
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:05,400
I want to ask on that material that was

724
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:07,980
put in your your dad's hands okay

725
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,799
straight away I I go to the fact this is

726
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,480
potentially some sort of meta material

727
00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:14,880
that is either from some sort of

728
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,159
retrieved crash or something like that

729
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,960
is that what you would think as well and

730
00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:20,640
it's almost activated because of the

731
00:27:23,149 --> 00:27:21,480
connection

732
00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:23,159
that's exactly what it is it's from the

733
00:27:29,210 --> 00:27:25,860
gifting field as far as I understand it

734
00:27:31,789 --> 00:27:29,220
it has a hexagonal

735
00:27:34,669 --> 00:27:31,799
um shape like kind of like a honeycomb

736
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,679
I've put the photo out there before and

737
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:36,960
it has properties that are not

738
00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:40,679
necessarily inherent to Earth's I guess

739
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:42,600
you could say biology biology or

740
00:27:46,909 --> 00:27:43,980
chemistry or whatever

741
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:46,919
and um you know

742
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:49,020
Tyler told my dad I don't even know what

743
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:51,000
this means but Tyler told my dad that

744
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,059
they determined it to be found from uh

745
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,159
or originate from 50 million light years

746
00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:58,080
away from Earth I don't know what that

747
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,919
means

748
00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:01,200
but um I do know he showed me charts

749
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:03,000
that said the Isotopes did not originate

750
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:05,640
on Earth he showed me the Isotopes and

751
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:07,260
um they are what some people would call

752
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:10,559
exotic metals or as they call on these

753
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:14,100
inside communities op meaning off Planet

754
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:16,020
when you talk to Tyler Durden everything

755
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:18,120
is off planet

756
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:24,649
I'm just trying to think there's so many

757
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,460
things I want to follow up on right

758
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:29,039
um so you've talked about those agencies

759
00:28:33,470 --> 00:28:31,860
and again it was just the the language

760
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:33,480
you use and just to double check on it

761
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,460
there's nothing you know to potentially

762
00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:38,640
uh Sinister but you mentioned so many of

763
00:28:42,049 --> 00:28:40,140
these agencies have been to your

764
00:28:44,269 --> 00:28:42,059
property in some way

765
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,279
have you ever had any of those agencies

766
00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:46,320
try and get to your property that

767
00:28:51,289 --> 00:28:49,020
weren't necessarily invited by you

768
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:51,299
yes I have

769
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,980
I want to make it clear that it's not

770
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:54,720
like the United States government is

771
00:28:57,649 --> 00:28:56,100
showing up on our property in an

772
00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:57,659
official capacity and a lot of times

773
00:29:02,870 --> 00:28:59,820
it's people who are either active or

774
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:02,880
retired and they show up uh like Tyler

775
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,860
Durden was active he was covert that's

776
00:29:08,269 --> 00:29:07,200
why just for the sake of respect I

777
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,279
wouldn't say his name but then there's

778
00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:10,080
people like Jim Simi van who have a very

779
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:13,020
deeply personal interests who are read

780
00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:15,539
into the program and they know these

781
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,460
things but they're not

782
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:19,620
um you know necessarily acting on behalf

783
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:22,260
of the government if that makes sense so

784
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:26,760
there is this guy who's sort of like

785
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,580
I don't want to say his name because UFO

786
00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:31,679
world would

787
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:33,179
um freak out

788
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,899
but there is a guy who has an official

789
00:29:43,330 --> 00:29:38,640
capacity

790
00:29:46,909 --> 00:29:43,340
on the behalf of the CIA to obfuscate

791
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,919
the subject of UFOs I don't want to say

792
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,480
his title because it would be determined

793
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:50,640
easily who he is

794
00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:52,500
um it's been a number of years now he

795
00:29:58,370 --> 00:29:55,080
has subtly and sometimes not so subtly

796
00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:58,380
sent people for plausible deniability to

797
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:01,500
harass my family some death threats have

798
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,220
been made he sent some

799
00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:07,520
people to cyber stalk me

800
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:10,919
sometimes things of that nature when my

801
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,240
dad did an interview with Project Unity

802
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,240
some things were shared that we

803
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:21,120
basically were threatened by this group

804
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:23,700
if we didn't remove them but it's not

805
00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:25,980
the guy in the CIA because that would be

806
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:27,899
a federal crime he'd go to prison for

807
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:29,460
terrorizing

808
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,080
um you know U.S citizens you're not

809
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:32,880
supposed to do operations on U.S soil if

810
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:35,399
they're in the CIA ask Lou Elizondo ask

811
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:36,779
Jim Sim event I actually asked him

812
00:30:39,889 --> 00:30:37,860
myself

813
00:30:42,529 --> 00:30:39,899
but anyway so what these people do is

814
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,539
they'll get civilians for plausible

815
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:44,640
deniability send them to an

816
00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:46,440
experiencer's property to harass them

817
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,820
and terrify them so that they don't

818
00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:50,399
speak out that's what Dad and I and the

819
00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:51,659
family had been going through over the

820
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:53,700
last few years which is why we also

821
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:56,100
didn't speak out as much but now you

822
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:58,020
know after some chats with Jim simivan I

823
00:31:02,029 --> 00:31:00,120
realize they can't do anything to us

824
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:02,039
they can't touch us it's all an act it's

825
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,500
all this this scare tactic to get people

826
00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:05,760
to not want to speak out and that's

827
00:31:09,769 --> 00:31:07,620
because this individual's

828
00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:09,779
career

829
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:13,620
is to obfuscate this subject

830
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:16,799
it's good cop bad cop you know

831
00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:18,600
yeah trying to put it back in the box

832
00:31:21,769 --> 00:31:20,520
which uh yeah trying to obviously keep

833
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,779
open

834
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,000
um but largely I mean that's obviously

835
00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:26,880
an incredibly negative side to to what's

836
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:28,679
happened and not caused by the

837
00:31:33,649 --> 00:31:31,080
phenomenon but by humans unfortunately

838
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:33,659
that are obviously trying to to do what

839
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,700
they're trying to do but we do see a lot

840
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,919
of the agencies aside from that who are

841
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:40,320
invited or these people who come of

842
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,600
their own accord it's a positive

843
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:44,640
experience and they are just trying to

844
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:46,980
learn more about what's happening

845
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:49,320
yeah yeah it's usually a very positive

846
00:31:54,769 --> 00:31:51,960
experience a lot of times people come to

847
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:54,779
our property to learn from a place of

848
00:31:59,510 --> 00:31:57,840
genuine like interest and desire to

849
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:59,520
figure out what's going on and in the

850
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,840
intelligence communities they all know

851
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:02,640
that my dad's the guy it's just what

852
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:04,020
Simpson event told me otherwise I

853
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:07,140
wouldn't say that you know but um they

854
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,760
come to learn they come to help they

855
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:10,559
come to be a part

856
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,279
of like our family's experiences but in

857
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:16,080
private a lot of times these retired

858
00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:17,760
intelligence people they can't go

859
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:20,460
publicly endorse because that would be

860
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:21,720
an opinion on behalf of the United

861
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,700
States government like Lou Elizondo on

862
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,980
your show I listened to that what he

863
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:27,840
said over and over and basically what he

864
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:30,179
did was he vouched for my family in a

865
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:31,620
non-official capacity they're not

866
00:32:34,669 --> 00:32:33,240
allowed to make opinions on behalf of

867
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:34,679
the United States government unless they

868
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,840
have the hard facts and the data but he

869
00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:38,159
sat right here on your program and he

870
00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:39,960
said he's a wonderful man he's having

871
00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:41,820
experiences like

872
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,539
um

873
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:44,880
skin walker Ranch

874
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:48,000
and what Mr Bledsoe is saying is

875
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:49,919
probably correct

876
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:51,299
I don't know if anybody caught that but

877
00:32:56,269 --> 00:32:53,820
that's what Lou said on your program so

878
00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:56,279
yeah mostly it is positive they all want

879
00:33:00,649 --> 00:32:58,140
to meet him we've met some other covert

880
00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:00,659
people in NASA who have literally lost

881
00:33:05,950 --> 00:33:03,240
their position and were fired just to go

882
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:05,960
out on a limb and speak with my father

883
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:08,640
to protect him from other like threats

884
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:10,260
and things like that

885
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:10,980
um

886
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:12,659
just to help him because they see that

887
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,220
he's a good person who really wants to

888
00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:16,559
tell his story to the world there's only

889
00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:18,059
a few negative groups that we've

890
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:19,980
interacted with and we just we just

891
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:21,659
don't mess with them anymore I mean we

892
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:22,919
don't talk to him it's like they need us

893
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:25,740
we don't need them you know so anybody

894
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,620
that I speak of and name

895
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:30,720
um chances are very positive

896
00:33:34,009 --> 00:33:32,460
interactions we love them I'm not going

897
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:34,019
to disparage anybody I'm not going to

898
00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:36,360
name anybody that that we don't you know

899
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,799
have any sort of positive interaction

900
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:39,840
with it's a waste of my time

901
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,480
know that that's totally fair

902
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,120
the the lady is something that comes up

903
00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:46,799
over and over again and I've got a ton

904
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:49,019
of questions about so if we don't ask a

905
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,640
question directly about it then it's

906
00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:52,320
because you know there was so many

907
00:33:56,269 --> 00:33:54,179
similar ones put in there but just

908
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:56,279
explain to the listeners Ryan who is the

909
00:34:00,110 --> 00:33:58,200
lady it's something your father's

910
00:34:01,730 --> 00:34:00,120
discussed quite a lot as well and just

911
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:01,740
what can you share about the experiences

912
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,240
with the lady

913
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:06,480
okay before I go into this I just want

914
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,520
to say that what we're going to do is

915
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:11,040
we're going to take that box with you

916
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:12,780
know language and how it confounds our

917
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:14,700
understanding we're gonna throw it out

918
00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:15,780
the door

919
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:18,119
what the lady is is not what people

920
00:34:22,369 --> 00:34:20,520
think it is

921
00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:22,379
um it's not a ghost

922
00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:24,899
it's not an alien

923
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,000
and in some literal sense it's not a

924
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:30,000
goddess you know we don't I don't see

925
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:31,980
reality as these literal gods and

926
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,560
goddesses just flying around and coming

927
00:34:38,089 --> 00:34:36,000
down and like trying to do these

928
00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:38,099
Miracles I think it's more complicated

929
00:34:41,530 --> 00:34:40,859
than that I think it's more like

930
00:34:43,570 --> 00:34:41,540
um

931
00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:43,580
you know

932
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:46,520
Consciousness and

933
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:48,839
beings of light coming from higher

934
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,700
Realms and appearing to us in ways that

935
00:34:55,849 --> 00:34:53,280
we understand and it's metaphorical

936
00:34:59,210 --> 00:34:55,859
and metaphysical

937
00:35:01,370 --> 00:34:59,220
the lady as my dad was made to

938
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:01,380
understand is associated with the bull

939
00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:04,980
and the um in Egypt and the pyramids and

940
00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:06,359
the Sphinx

941
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,099
so if anybody was to get on their

942
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:11,359
computer and Google who is the Egyptian

943
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:15,000
uh you know bull goddess what's the name

944
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,220
they would find half Thor

945
00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:19,680
okay that's the name that was put you

946
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:22,500
know in my father's line of thinking

947
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:24,540
what is hathor

948
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:27,599
hathor is love hathor is the comforter

949
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:31,140
hath Thor you know in a symbolic way

950
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:32,760
um the ancient Egyptians described her

951
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:36,240
as having a dress of the Milky Way

952
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:38,220
galaxy and

953
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,619
you know nourishing her children with

954
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,480
the milk from the cosmic utter therefore

955
00:35:47,690 --> 00:35:45,119
the bull symbolism it's metaphor you

956
00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:47,700
know she told my dad in the regression

957
00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:50,760
that she is the manifestation of the

958
00:35:55,069 --> 00:35:52,680
force of love

959
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:55,079
people need to think in forces and

960
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,880
archetypes it's it's more complicated

961
00:36:01,849 --> 00:35:59,040
than little spinning frisbees from Mars

962
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,859
there are forces at play that animate

963
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:04,079
our reality they animate our

964
00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:05,880
Consciousness these beings are

965
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:08,760
emanations of those forces

966
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,680
they speak to us through symbols and

967
00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:12,240
metaphors the Egyptians why do you think

968
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:13,980
their whole entire language was in

969
00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:16,740
symbols because it has a profound effect

970
00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:19,079
on the subconscious being

971
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:20,820
you know that's part of your conscious

972
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:23,280
being is just you know it is connected

973
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:26,099
to it but um I don't think that she is

974
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:28,740
literally half Thor I think that that

975
00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:31,500
metaphor from ancient Egypt represents

976
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:35,160
what force that she is which is love

977
00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:36,900
she created I think it's more of a

978
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,260
manifestation of an idea or a concept

979
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:42,420
rather than it's a physical thing it's

980
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,940
this goddess or this Spirit coming and

981
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:46,980
reincarnated almost not reincarnated

982
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:48,180
that's the wrong one but you know

983
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:49,980
appearing in that form to you yeah

984
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,040
that's what I'm coming to understand and

985
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:55,200
you know discuss with my father

986
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:57,300
I think that um

987
00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:58,740
everything that we've been taught

988
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,320
conventionally is not correct if it was

989
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:04,079
correct we'd probably be in a Utopia you

990
00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:06,060
know like it's pretty common sense that

991
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,460
we don't have access to these higher

992
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,079
Realms of knowledge

993
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,040
um I think that she is the literal

994
00:37:18,829 --> 00:37:16,320
manifestation of the force

995
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:18,839
of love and creation

996
00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:21,599
it's it's more than just a being that

997
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:22,980
shows up with blonde hair and a dress

998
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,660
that's what she appeared to my father as

999
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:27,119
it's it's an energy

1000
00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:35,089
no you said right to the start I thought

1001
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:36,420
she gave a lot about context about

1002
00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:38,760
burgundy put the USA language in a box

1003
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:40,619
and throw out the window which I like

1004
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:43,380
because so much of the conversation now

1005
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:45,660
people are starting to bring in even

1006
00:37:50,089 --> 00:37:48,240
just basic labels like angels and demons

1007
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,099
and starting to say you know when it

1008
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:51,599
comes to the phenomenon if you want to

1009
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:53,700
talk about just aliens and people

1010
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:55,560
referring to them even within the the

1011
00:37:59,930 --> 00:37:58,260
Pentagon and the Senate you know talking

1012
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,940
about we don't want to deal with demonic

1013
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:02,400
forces that's just a label that's been

1014
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,099
put on this from a long time past that

1015
00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:07,440
we need to shake off because in a way

1016
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:10,440
maybe it is Angels and Demons as we sort

1017
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,420
of think we understand it but that's

1018
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:14,160
just how people understood it some time

1019
00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:15,720
ago when they were writing books a long

1020
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:18,060
long time ago and again like USA that's

1021
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:20,820
why potentially an idea or you know of

1022
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:23,339
something from Egyptian times can be

1023
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:24,839
brought to relevance now but you can

1024
00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:26,040
kind of look at it in a different way

1025
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:28,260
and that's why again this is being

1026
00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:30,060
brought up to your your family your

1027
00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:32,460
father have you had experiences yourself

1028
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,700
with the lady of that manifestation

1029
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:38,160
not with that one

1030
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:39,359
um

1031
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:44,160
I have had dreams that changed my life

1032
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,440
that were very profound synchronicity

1033
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:49,200
kind of thing uh

1034
00:38:56,410 --> 00:38:50,880
you know even though I saw these lights

1035
00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:56,420
in the sky I had this strict like

1036
00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:58,740
guilt-ridden adherence to fundamental

1037
00:39:02,930 --> 00:39:00,839
Christianity and the term fundamental

1038
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:02,940
Christianity means you believe the Bible

1039
00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:05,400
is literal from Genesis to Revelation I

1040
00:39:08,690 --> 00:39:06,780
used I grew up believing that way

1041
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:08,700
because that's what I was taught

1042
00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:10,020
um you know Earth is six thousand years

1043
00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:11,940
old all that good stuff of course I

1044
00:39:16,930 --> 00:39:14,099
don't believe that anymore and I was in

1045
00:39:19,849 --> 00:39:16,940
this powerful cognitive dissonance from

1046
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,859
seeing lights in the sky from 13 years

1047
00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:20,720
old

1048
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,060
experiencing the shunning and the grief

1049
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:26,160
of being the family that talks about

1050
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,140
these lights yet still going to church

1051
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:31,200
and talking about this literal belief in

1052
00:39:34,910 --> 00:39:32,160
the Bible

1053
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:34,920
so I was about 22 years old

1054
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,680
I had a dream one night that Osiris was

1055
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:40,079
standing at the foot of my bed and he

1056
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:41,339
was saying some things to me but I

1057
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:42,780
couldn't hear them

1058
00:39:47,569 --> 00:39:45,660
and when I woke up the next day

1059
00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:47,579
I was never a fundamental Christian ever

1060
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,359
again

1061
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:51,599
it just dropped overnight in my dream so

1062
00:39:57,650 --> 00:39:55,260
I think these these forces appear to you

1063
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:57,660
in a metaphorical way or like with a

1064
00:40:01,690 --> 00:40:00,300
depiction that's anthropomorphic because

1065
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:01,700
our brain

1066
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:05,579
comprehends things as anthropomorphic so

1067
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:07,800
these Egyptians were smart they put

1068
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,300
these symbols on the walls of their

1069
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:11,520
pyramids on the inside so they'd never

1070
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:13,020
be destroyed

1071
00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:15,960
so that over time the message would last

1072
00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:17,940
you know so

1073
00:40:21,530 --> 00:40:20,040
I don't think that literally Osiris came

1074
00:40:24,050 --> 00:40:21,540
to me in a dream I think with the

1075
00:40:25,490 --> 00:40:24,060
Egyptians were saying is the force that

1076
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,500
is represented by this little

1077
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:27,359
anthropomorphic symbol

1078
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,460
is what I interacted with

1079
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:31,680
you know this isn't some paganism stuff

1080
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,260
what I'm saying is there are forces from

1081
00:40:38,089 --> 00:40:36,480
higher realities that appear to our

1082
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,099
brain in a way that we can understand it

1083
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:40,560
as anthropomorphic it's an energy it's a

1084
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:41,520
force

1085
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,020
and you've talked a lot there about

1086
00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:46,079
symbols whether that is you know symbols

1087
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:47,579
that are appearing

1088
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:49,260
um almost physically to in front of

1089
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:50,520
people whether it's symbols you're

1090
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,780
seeing in your dream you talk about

1091
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,280
ancient Egyptian how to growth

1092
00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:56,400
hieroglyphics we hear Pilots discussing

1093
00:41:00,650 --> 00:40:58,920
or even things like Tic Tac UFOs that

1094
00:41:02,569 --> 00:41:00,660
potentially have symbols on the side of

1095
00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:02,579
them going back to events like

1096
00:41:06,349 --> 00:41:05,220
rendersham again hieroglyphs on the side

1097
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:06,359
of craft

1098
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:10,380
do you think this rating is all

1099
00:41:14,089 --> 00:41:12,420
connected and that's why we keep seeing

1100
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,099
these symbols going way back to even our

1101
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:20,569
yeah um I think that symbols have an

1102
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,460
inherent meaning that we have forgotten

1103
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:26,160
over time and these symbols are

1104
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:28,680
reflected by their geometry and what

1105
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:30,540
that geometry means on a metaphysical

1106
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:33,180
level and it has profound impacts on our

1107
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:37,140
subconscious and it's not taught in the

1108
00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:40,800
exoteric mainstream world anymore if

1109
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:43,980
that makes sense yeah so what I want to

1110
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:45,780
get to then is would you put any weight

1111
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:48,119
in the you know the phenomenon of crop

1112
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:51,300
circles Gavin we've got these symbols

1113
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,980
being created or for you is that

1114
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:55,200
something that is just totally separate

1115
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:57,540
or potentially man-made

1116
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,060
that's a question that I honestly don't

1117
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:02,640
really like have an answer or even an

1118
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:03,900
opinion on

1119
00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:05,160
um I think crop circles are very

1120
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:07,140
fascinating but I just have no you know

1121
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:08,400
experience with it I have no way of

1122
00:42:12,349 --> 00:42:10,260
knowing if it's genuine or not I know my

1123
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:12,359
dad is friends I believe his name is

1124
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:14,940
Colin Andrews I think I hope I'm not

1125
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,579
wrong here but it's a guy who's like

1126
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,440
um one of the big crop circle guys out

1127
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,119
there and they've had some chats and he

1128
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:23,520
seems to think that they're genuine but

1129
00:42:27,609 --> 00:42:25,140
I will say there are some crop circles

1130
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:27,619
that I've seen that have like

1131
00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:30,900
intense mathematical ratios in them that

1132
00:42:34,609 --> 00:42:32,339
would not be easy to just pop up

1133
00:42:36,349 --> 00:42:34,619
overnight as a hoax so I think

1134
00:42:37,730 --> 00:42:36,359
mathematics are very important as far as

1135
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:37,740
like the fundamental nature and

1136
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:40,140
construction of our reality so I'm gonna

1137
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:43,740
go with just a simple it's cool

1138
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:45,960
I don't know if they're legit would be

1139
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,700
great if they were you know

1140
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:50,160
yeah no absolutely I appreciate that

1141
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:51,900
um slightly it was slightly skewed but I

1142
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:53,220
just wanted to get that Anil as you were

1143
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:55,380
talking about the symbols yeah the

1144
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:57,000
phenomenon that is happening and has

1145
00:43:02,210 --> 00:42:58,560
happened down to your family do you

1146
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,220
foresee a day that it stops no never

1147
00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:04,319
it won't stop it hasn't yet it never

1148
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:05,579
will

1149
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,119
you see this being something that and do

1150
00:43:13,069 --> 00:43:11,760
you feel this is gonna I I don't like

1151
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:13,079
asking too many personal questions

1152
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,640
especially when it comes to family but

1153
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,079
understand it's your family that's

1154
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:18,480
experiencing this effin Wayne you and

1155
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:20,339
your siblings you know you all move to

1156
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,900
different locations just let's say for

1157
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:23,520
example you moved to one part of Europe

1158
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,619
and then someone else moved to somewhere

1159
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:27,839
else and then your mother and father

1160
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:29,880
moved to someone in India let's just say

1161
00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:32,220
do you feel the phenomenon but follow

1162
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:34,920
each of you to these places individually

1163
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:37,800
I do because I think we have to remember

1164
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:39,900
that physical space

1165
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:42,900
is not even an obstacle for these beings

1166
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:45,000
people think in concept of wow you live

1167
00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:46,859
you know here and then you went to

1168
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:48,359
California and it followed you so many

1169
00:43:54,890 --> 00:43:51,900
thousands of miles that's crazy well

1170
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,900
I don't think that you know in these

1171
00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:56,160
higher Realms that they come from

1172
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:58,200
there's even physical space

1173
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:59,460
period

1174
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:01,380
I think quantum mechanics is pretty hot

1175
00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:02,940
on uh you know the whole quantum

1176
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:04,980
entanglement and Photon double slit

1177
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:08,220
trying to argue the question that

1178
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:10,260
physical space may not even be real and

1179
00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:11,940
it's just an illusion of the human brain

1180
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,060
so yeah I think if I went to you know

1181
00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:17,520
Mars it would follow me

1182
00:44:25,849 --> 00:44:23,990
are you aware of this happening to other

1183
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,859
families that may or may not have

1184
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,359
contacted you to discuss their

1185
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,240
experiences as well yes

1186
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:32,640
um the medal that my dad

1187
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:35,760
got to Tom Delong in louisando and just

1188
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:41,930
um in Ohio

1189
00:44:47,809 --> 00:44:45,000
and my dad was put on to meeting him

1190
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,819
through Tyler D so what people don't

1191
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:49,920
realize is you know this guy from

1192
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,220
American Cosmic in ttsa wow this guy's

1193
00:44:56,089 --> 00:44:54,720
cool this guy well in these inside

1194
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:56,099
circles they're all in some way

1195
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,380
connected by one degree of separation

1196
00:45:03,290 --> 00:45:00,960
through my father you know all these

1197
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,300
people have been entangled and um like

1198
00:45:07,490 --> 00:45:05,760
Hal pavenmeyer this is kind of cool

1199
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:07,500
all of these people that we've spoken

1200
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,260
with know how pavenmeier like Jim Simi

1201
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:12,720
van told us before how how um how

1202
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:14,819
pavenmeier passed away that he was a

1203
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:16,200
heavy hitter and that nobody realized

1204
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,300
his importance in all of ufology I'm

1205
00:45:21,490 --> 00:45:20,400
sorry I derailed your question but the

1206
00:45:23,870 --> 00:45:21,500
point is

1207
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,880
there are other families that we've been

1208
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:25,440
made aware of I don't necessarily know

1209
00:45:28,609 --> 00:45:26,940
all their names but we know that we're

1210
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,619
not the only ones just for some reason

1211
00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:30,480
these beings interact with us in such a

1212
00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:33,060
level in intensity that it just like

1213
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:35,160
makes our heads go crazy with like

1214
00:45:38,329 --> 00:45:36,480
wanting to tell it and we get out there

1215
00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:38,339
and tell it that's why they do this to

1216
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,680
us to to kind of inculcate us with this

1217
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:43,440
this drive to go tell the story

1218
00:45:47,569 --> 00:45:45,180
um you know at 27 years old I'm sitting

1219
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:47,579
here just I'm ready to get it out you

1220
00:45:50,990 --> 00:45:49,260
know

1221
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,000
absolutely

1222
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:52,560
um I want to move on a little bit now

1223
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:53,880
because there's so much within the

1224
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,260
conversation you've shared there that

1225
00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:57,119
some listeners will be aware of some of

1226
00:46:01,490 --> 00:45:59,640
them it'll be some food for thought and

1227
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:01,500
other people may be newer to the subject

1228
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:03,780
can go and look at a range of like you

1229
00:46:07,790 --> 00:46:05,460
say Discovery Channel documentaries

1230
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,800
books there's YouTube interviews you

1231
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:08,880
know you mentioned Jay from Project

1232
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:11,760
Unity spoke to Chris uh senior and like

1233
00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:13,140
I say you've done a few as well so

1234
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:14,819
there's a lot if you have heard it there

1235
00:46:18,829 --> 00:46:17,400
you can go and find the details in so

1236
00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:18,839
many different places as well so I would

1237
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:21,060
encourage people to do that I want to

1238
00:46:24,410 --> 00:46:22,020
address something that a few people

1239
00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:24,420
spoke to me about Ryan now within the

1240
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,560
subject

1241
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:27,359
um there are like you say with crop

1242
00:46:30,430 --> 00:46:28,740
circles you kind of said you don't have

1243
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,440
much of an opinion on it yourself okay

1244
00:46:34,849 --> 00:46:33,359
something that I find I don't know if

1245
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,859
controversial is the right word and I

1246
00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:36,000
spoke to you about this before we came

1247
00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:39,420
on was orbs now orbs play a huge part in

1248
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:41,400
a lot of the photography that's put up

1249
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:44,160
by yourself but they're very popular

1250
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,400
source of material on you know UFO

1251
00:46:50,809 --> 00:46:49,200
Twitter and and Reddit and things like

1252
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:50,819
that as well there's so many old videos

1253
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:52,980
and pictures being posted

1254
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:55,140
can you talk a little bit about why

1255
00:46:59,809 --> 00:46:57,720
these should be seen as

1256
00:47:01,970 --> 00:46:59,819
a key piece of evidence as such some of

1257
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:01,980
your experiences with orbs and why

1258
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:04,200
someone like myself what am I missing

1259
00:47:07,970 --> 00:47:06,359
when I see a picture of you know a very

1260
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:07,980
faint light in a photograph what what

1261
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:09,420
should I be looking at and not just

1262
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:11,099
looking and thinking potentially as

1263
00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:13,380
glare or you know that sort of thing

1264
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:15,300
I think the majority of photos on the

1265
00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:17,579
internet probably could be glare

1266
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:20,760
but um I will say that you know my

1267
00:47:25,069 --> 00:47:23,339
brother saw those beings in 2007 they

1268
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,079
started as red orbs and then they came

1269
00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:27,359
from the orbs as they got closer

1270
00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:31,079
I think that we have lost as a society

1271
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:33,240
we've lost our understanding of what

1272
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:36,359
Consciousness truly means what the idea

1273
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:37,680
and again we're going to throw out that

1274
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:39,180
language box I'm not talking about the

1275
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,800
Bible I'm not talking about this

1276
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:42,480
religion or that religion I'm saying the

1277
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:45,420
title of a true Consciousness or God

1278
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:48,660
we've forgotten what that means

1279
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:54,470
is there is one consciousness

1280
00:48:01,010 --> 00:47:58,140
there's one source of it that's God

1281
00:48:01,849 --> 00:48:01,020
these beings are closer to that than we

1282
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:01,859
are

1283
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,020
they're not bound by this physical

1284
00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:06,000
reality they can come in here if they

1285
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:08,339
wish but not against their will and I

1286
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:11,400
think that that includes trapping their

1287
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,520
form in a photograph or a video I think

1288
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:17,040
what we get on Photo is what they give

1289
00:48:25,630 --> 00:48:20,819
us it should not be just so dismissed by

1290
00:48:28,010 --> 00:48:25,640
that very left brain logical

1291
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,020
debunking mindset but I think people

1292
00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:29,760
need to realize that what these beings

1293
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:32,280
are is a higher Consciousness or you

1294
00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:34,440
know if you want to try to relate that

1295
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:38,520
to another word a higher spiritual Realm

1296
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,500
they cannot be trapped against their

1297
00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:42,240
will there's nobody out there just like

1298
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:44,220
accidentally getting a picture of these

1299
00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:45,000
things

1300
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,060
what we get is what they give us so

1301
00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:50,640
these orbs are what they're giving us we

1302
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:52,980
see them appear as orbs with our eyes

1303
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,540
and then we go post on the internet what

1304
00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:56,640
do they say it's a fake it's a fraud

1305
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,500
this that the other blah blah blah well

1306
00:49:01,790 --> 00:49:00,000
we go outside in our backyard we see

1307
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:01,800
orbs we rush to get our phone out and

1308
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:03,480
snap a picture and then we share it and

1309
00:49:08,270 --> 00:49:06,060
we get mocked but in reality you know

1310
00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:08,280
who gets the last laugh here

1311
00:49:11,710 --> 00:49:10,140
the ones who are never going to

1312
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,720
interface with this phenomenon because

1313
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:14,160
they're so left-brained they're not

1314
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:16,380
activating their right brain like Grant

1315
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:18,780
Cameron says and truly interfacing with

1316
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:20,760
this phenomenon or us who are in the

1317
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:22,440
comfort of our own home actually seeing

1318
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:23,280
it

1319
00:49:32,690 --> 00:49:30,000
anybody that dismisses or phenomenon

1320
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,700
without even trying to entertain the

1321
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:34,079
idea of it

1322
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,880
um they're on the wrong track they are

1323
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:37,200
totally on the wrong track and I mean

1324
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,000
this respectfully I'm trying to help

1325
00:49:44,569 --> 00:49:41,359
people with my knowledge and experience

1326
00:49:47,089 --> 00:49:44,579
orbs are a very important phenomenon

1327
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,099
they are real manifestations of

1328
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:49,200
Consciousness as I have been told by Hal

1329
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:50,520
pavenmeier

1330
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:52,920
Jim semivan

1331
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:54,900
and that's the only two that come to my

1332
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:56,579
mind at the moment but they know and

1333
00:50:00,829 --> 00:49:58,500
we've also had chats with Lou Elizondo

1334
00:50:02,329 --> 00:50:00,839
my dad has about orbs

1335
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,339
these guys don't go out and speak

1336
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:05,040
publicly about orbs why because they're

1337
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,780
read into the program and they cannot

1338
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:09,119
give official opinions on behalf of the

1339
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:10,920
United States government but what does

1340
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:12,540
my dad talk about he talks about beings

1341
00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:15,780
of light the lady and orbs and we post

1342
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,640
pictures hanging out with lu Elizondo

1343
00:50:21,650 --> 00:50:19,920
Tonda long Jim Sammy van blah blah blah

1344
00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:21,660
it's because of what we're saying is why

1345
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:23,819
these people are coming it's these

1346
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:25,500
things so orbs are very important I'm

1347
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,940
I'm just setting that out into the world

1348
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,280
now if anybody wants to mock that's fine

1349
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:31,680
they have that right but they're wrong

1350
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:34,560
you know so I mean that respectfully but

1351
00:50:37,970 --> 00:50:36,599
orbs are very important and I urge

1352
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:37,980
people to at least

1353
00:50:42,770 --> 00:50:40,800
entertain the idea that it's you know

1354
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:42,780
some form of manifestation stimulate

1355
00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:44,940
that other part of your being don't give

1356
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:50,220
in to that left brain logical you know

1357
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:53,160
orderly way of thinking and try to come

1358
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:55,500
from a place of consciousness

1359
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,420
higher Realms and then you'll understand

1360
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,280
what this phenomenon is

1361
00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:01,440
sorry if that was long-winded no

1362
00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:03,420
absolutely listen I like that and let me

1363
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:04,980
take that one step further and I'm going

1364
00:51:08,569 --> 00:51:06,300
to play a little bit of Devil's Advocate

1365
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,579
here okay okay like you say when you

1366
00:51:13,309 --> 00:51:10,559
mentioned previously people trying to at

1367
00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:13,319
least put themselves uh and entertain

1368
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:15,300
the idea I don't think you have to even

1369
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,339
guess but I mean obviously I host a UFO

1370
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:19,920
podcast I will entertain a lot of ideas

1371
00:51:24,109 --> 00:51:22,319
and orbs are one of those things it's

1372
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:24,119
just when you see and it's something

1373
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,520
Sean Cahill talked about that one source

1374
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:28,800
so often people will post that one

1375
00:51:33,049 --> 00:51:30,540
photograph and go here's an orbit took a

1376
00:51:35,329 --> 00:51:33,059
picture of no context no nothing and

1377
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,339
it's just it's just there obviously what

1378
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,920
you and your family have is a volume of

1379
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,599
of evidence and photographs and

1380
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:42,000
experiences let me take that a step

1381
00:51:46,010 --> 00:51:44,040
further then and this is something

1382
00:51:48,770 --> 00:51:46,020
I want to address on behalf of people

1383
00:51:51,049 --> 00:51:48,780
who have brought up what I'll say is

1384
00:51:52,990 --> 00:51:51,059
before I ask it is I appreciate you and

1385
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,000
a family you have lives you have jobs

1386
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,160
and you know your lives are not a TV

1387
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,319
show for everyone to watch right however

1388
00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:00,960
people would ask why would you and the

1389
00:52:06,430 --> 00:52:03,420
family not set up say 4K recording

1390
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:06,440
equipment around the home almost

1391
00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:09,420
Skinwalker ranch-esque maybe not to that

1392
00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:11,460
level but you know some good camera

1393
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:13,020
equipment that could constantly be

1394
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,579
filming this sort of stuff is there any

1395
00:52:18,049 --> 00:52:16,079
reasons or is it something that has came

1396
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:18,059
up in the past it's definitely come up

1397
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:19,740
in the past and we're still in chats

1398
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,240
with people I was chatting with a

1399
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:23,280
filmmaker and when I say filmmaker I

1400
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:24,420
don't mean he's going making like

1401
00:52:30,170 --> 00:52:27,300
Blockbusters he has before but this guy

1402
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:30,180
is making a documentary he wants to come

1403
00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:33,720
out and bring equipment we are very uh

1404
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:36,180
open to work with individuals that we

1405
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,420
trust and who are reputable and have

1406
00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:41,520
our best interests in mind now when I

1407
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:43,500
say our best interest

1408
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:45,240
what I mean is

1409
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:46,920
we were

1410
00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:47,700
um

1411
00:52:51,770 --> 00:52:50,040
we were mocked because of the hack job

1412
00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:51,780
documentary that was made to discredit

1413
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,819
us we're not just going to bring any Joe

1414
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,680
onto our property with cameras and say

1415
00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:57,839
shoot we're going to vet people we're

1416
00:53:01,130 --> 00:52:59,579
going to wait and have the patience and

1417
00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:01,140
understanding that the right person will

1418
00:53:04,609 --> 00:53:03,000
come when these beings are ready for it

1419
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:04,619
because all of this stuff that's

1420
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,940
happened with my family behind the

1421
00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:07,680
scenes that you write it's not a TV show

1422
00:53:12,109 --> 00:53:10,140
there's been people we've met that most

1423
00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:12,119
wouldn't even believe like next weekend

1424
00:53:17,150 --> 00:53:14,280
someone's coming to our home from a

1425
00:53:19,549 --> 00:53:17,160
foreign country who's like

1426
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:19,559
it's crazy who's coming to our property

1427
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:21,240
we're we're not just going to throw

1428
00:53:23,630 --> 00:53:22,380
cameras out there and hit shoot we're

1429
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:23,640
going to do it right when we do it

1430
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:25,740
everything we've given already is

1431
00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:28,680
genuine you know my dad has 15 000 orb

1432
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:31,619
photos on his iPhone he has 15 000 on a

1433
00:53:34,609 --> 00:53:33,300
hard drive now he's going out there

1434
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:34,619
because people complain about the iPhone

1435
00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:36,900
he's a simple man he's a carpenter he's

1436
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,520
a 59 year old carpenter he's not a

1437
00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:40,079
scientist he doesn't have all this

1438
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,119
technological prowess I don't live with

1439
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:43,920
him I can't sit and fumble around every

1440
00:53:47,329 --> 00:53:45,660
time I go home for you know a birthday

1441
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:47,339
party and try to break out this fancy

1442
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:50,280
equipment you know we're simple people

1443
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:53,520
and anyway so back to that point

1444
00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:54,839
um

1445
00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:56,099
you know

1446
00:53:59,450 --> 00:53:58,020
we're gonna do it when it's right we're

1447
00:54:01,309 --> 00:53:59,460
not just going to sit around and just

1448
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:01,319
hit shoot you know I think I kind of

1449
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:03,420
interrupted myself there and broke where

1450
00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:09,130
oh I remember I remember

1451
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,579
on your goal I was just gonna say people

1452
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:14,160
complain about the iPhone photos and

1453
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:15,240
then we get them on the night vision

1454
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:17,160
camera and people still complain you

1455
00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:18,480
know if we got them with a documentary

1456
00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:21,059
film crew people would still complain

1457
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:23,160
because they can't entertain that

1458
00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:24,480
there's something from like some sort of

1459
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,859
higher realm it's all left brain

1460
00:54:29,809 --> 00:54:28,079
thinking and that needs to be quieted

1461
00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:29,819
and try to connect with what this

1462
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:31,260
phenomenon is that sorry that's what I

1463
00:54:35,809 --> 00:54:33,780
was going to say go ahead

1464
00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:35,819
no that's fine unless and I totally get

1465
00:54:39,230 --> 00:54:37,619
that I've talked before about last year

1466
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:39,240
I don't know if you remember Ryan there

1467
00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:40,800
there was

1468
00:54:44,990 --> 00:54:42,900
um an incident for a few minutes where

1469
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,000
people thought there was a UFO above New

1470
00:54:49,549 --> 00:54:47,760
Jersey and it turned out to be uh the

1471
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:49,559
Goodyear blimp above the New York Giants

1472
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,260
football game around can I

1473
00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:54,960
dusk time in the evening people stopped

1474
00:54:58,609 --> 00:54:56,760
on the freeway and we're all standing

1475
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,619
there with our iPhones and Samsungs and

1476
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:01,200
huaweis and really good cameras yet

1477
00:55:04,849 --> 00:55:02,760
still couldn't get a really good shot

1478
00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:04,859
that didn't make it look like a UFO

1479
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:06,839
spinning and it was only later people

1480
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:08,700
reported no it was a good year blimp

1481
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,859
above a football stadium so there was a

1482
00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:12,720
ton of people trying to take a picture

1483
00:55:17,089 --> 00:55:14,760
in the distance of what actually was

1484
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:17,099
other way around it was a blimp not a

1485
00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:19,380
UFO and they still struggled to get a

1486
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,480
clear picture I struggle with an 8K

1487
00:55:26,210 --> 00:55:23,760
camera five feet for my children to get

1488
00:55:27,950 --> 00:55:26,220
a clear picture of them on a swing so I

1489
00:55:30,049 --> 00:55:27,960
can only imagine what it's like trying

1490
00:55:32,450 --> 00:55:30,059
to get pictures of you know like orbs in

1491
00:55:34,849 --> 00:55:32,460
entities or Shadow beings or whatever

1492
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:34,859
people are trying to photograph our or

1493
00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:37,140
do would you

1494
00:55:43,309 --> 00:55:40,680
all right sorry do you feel you

1495
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,319
have to be Vindicated or have to prove

1496
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:46,160
anymore that this is real or Happening

1497
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:48,540
by you know getting that sort of

1498
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,700
evidence or scientific proof out there

1499
00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:53,280
or are you content and happy that

1500
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,599
obviously you know what's happening

1501
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,880
you're experiencing it and it's it's

1502
00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:58,559
almost other people's issues that they

1503
00:56:02,809 --> 00:56:00,180
have to deal with

1504
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:02,819
I think we've already been Vindicated

1505
00:56:08,089 --> 00:56:05,880
in private and that's truly what we care

1506
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:08,099
about is knowing that there are serious

1507
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:09,420
people in this world who take us

1508
00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:10,680
seriously

1509
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,980
what the people on the internet say you

1510
00:56:18,829 --> 00:56:15,359
know to the second part of your question

1511
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:18,839
I do think that in our common level of

1512
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:20,819
understanding of reality like as a

1513
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:23,220
mainstream Society is totally flawed it

1514
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:26,160
is totally backwards and I think that

1515
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:28,140
the collective conscience needs to hit a

1516
00:56:30,589 --> 00:56:29,460
certain level before everybody can

1517
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:30,599
really understand what we're dealing

1518
00:56:37,450 --> 00:56:33,180
with here like I would plainly say this

1519
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:37,460
these are beings from a higher reality

1520
00:56:43,069 --> 00:56:41,099
trying to guide mankind to a new age now

1521
00:56:44,930 --> 00:56:43,079
what's going to happen 50 50 people

1522
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:44,940
won't understand what I just said which

1523
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:47,160
I just spoke plainly what I believe you

1524
00:56:52,010 --> 00:56:50,700
know so if people can't get that then

1525
00:56:54,109 --> 00:56:52,020
they're never going to get what it is

1526
00:56:55,010 --> 00:56:54,119
and they won't interface with it

1527
00:56:57,170 --> 00:56:55,020
um

1528
00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:57,180
back to the first part of your question

1529
00:57:00,589 --> 00:56:58,380
um we're not trying to like record

1530
00:57:02,089 --> 00:57:00,599
anything for Vindication we're trying to

1531
00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:02,099
do this out of good faith because we

1532
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:03,780
believe it'll help people sharing our

1533
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:06,480
experiences with the world I'm up here

1534
00:57:09,710 --> 00:57:07,980
talking because I want to help people

1535
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,720
with what I have experienced because

1536
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:11,280
there's millions of others that are

1537
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:12,900
saying same things but they're not

1538
00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:14,940
getting necessarily the intensity that

1539
00:57:17,690 --> 00:57:15,960
we're getting and they don't know what

1540
00:57:19,250 --> 00:57:17,700
it is and they feel lost we have

1541
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:19,260
thousands of messages in our inbox

1542
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:21,480
between the in-dad of people saying I

1543
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:23,460
saw a light in my room scare me to death

1544
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,740
should I be scared you know people don't

1545
00:57:29,049 --> 00:57:27,119
people don't know what they're dealing

1546
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:29,059
with and maybe me and Dad can be a light

1547
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:32,460
in this dark field and help people

1548
00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:34,980
understand what they're experiencing and

1549
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,900
help people heal it's all about good

1550
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:38,880
faith that's what me and Dad are coming

1551
00:57:41,569 --> 00:57:39,720
from

1552
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:41,579
before we move on to listen our

1553
00:57:45,950 --> 00:57:43,260
questions then and you touched on it

1554
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:45,960
there are there any aspects of this

1555
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:48,480
phenomenon that people should be scared

1556
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,790
I think you attract what you deal with

1557
00:57:58,849 --> 00:57:57,599
if you're a positive person and you're

1558
00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:58,859
seeing a light

1559
00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:01,500
probably shouldn't be afraid if you're

1560
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:04,380
you know struggling with drug addiction

1561
00:58:10,790 --> 00:58:07,800
or you're a violent person or just in a

1562
00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:10,800
very dark place and you're seeing like

1563
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,540
shadows in your room and things like

1564
00:58:16,790 --> 00:58:14,880
that you should probably immediately be

1565
00:58:19,490 --> 00:58:16,800
concerned you attract what you

1566
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:19,500
experience it it's it's a it's a

1567
00:58:24,349 --> 00:58:21,720
Consciousness spiritual thing you know

1568
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:24,359
so I hope that kind of makes sense

1569
00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:26,460
yeah and I'll follow that up with that

1570
00:58:32,569 --> 00:58:28,920
people have talked in the past and

1571
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:32,579
can't remember it was a reasonably

1572
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:35,520
prominent person I I want to say Tom

1573
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:38,400
Delong potentially potentially but uh

1574
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:41,400
talked about these beings feeding on

1575
00:58:44,750 --> 00:58:42,900
negative emotions

1576
00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:44,760
and this was brought up again recently I

1577
00:58:48,349 --> 00:58:46,380
think Jeremy McGowan mentioned it on

1578
00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:48,359
Twitter as well is that something you

1579
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,040
would then subscribe to along with what

1580
00:58:54,370 --> 00:58:52,079
you're saying there that there isn't an

1581
00:58:57,170 --> 00:58:54,380
element of these beings potentially

1582
00:58:59,690 --> 00:58:57,180
latching themselves onto that

1583
00:59:01,609 --> 00:58:59,700
there are some like that yeah

1584
00:59:04,910 --> 00:59:01,619
I think

1585
00:59:07,069 --> 00:59:04,920
it's all about you know big picture it's

1586
00:59:08,210 --> 00:59:07,079
about good versus evil now when I say

1587
00:59:10,490 --> 00:59:08,220
that

1588
00:59:12,049 --> 00:59:10,500
what I mean is it's about love versus

1589
00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:12,059
fear

1590
00:59:14,990 --> 00:59:13,559
that's another thing

1591
00:59:16,130 --> 00:59:15,000
in the pre-show we were talking about

1592
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:16,140
some questions I'm going to go ahead and

1593
00:59:20,329 --> 00:59:18,240
jump to that one because it answers this

1594
00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:20,339
one you just asked people always want to

1595
00:59:23,329 --> 00:59:21,780
know like what did the lady tell my dad

1596
00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:23,339
this is probably the most important

1597
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,099
thing I'm not sure if he said this

1598
00:59:31,849 --> 00:59:28,559
um she said there's only love and there

1599
00:59:34,670 --> 00:59:31,859
is only fear only love and fear

1600
00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:34,680
or good versus evil is another word to

1601
00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:36,900
say that like in a very basic

1602
00:59:42,170 --> 00:59:39,240
you know metaphorical way

1603
00:59:45,650 --> 00:59:42,180
what it was explained to my dad is that

1604
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,660
in order to avoid any sort of negative

1605
00:59:50,450 --> 00:59:48,240
timeline we have to get the collective

1606
00:59:52,670 --> 00:59:50,460
Consciousness switched over to a state

1607
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:52,680
of love I don't mean like you know

1608
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:54,960
kissing your wife good night or or you

1609
01:00:06,410 --> 01:00:02,329
love in a state of being like compassion

1610
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:06,420
humility uh you know no ego

1611
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:07,520
um

1612
01:00:13,370 --> 01:00:10,920
being empathetic

1613
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:13,380
because what was made for us to

1614
01:00:19,730 --> 01:00:16,920
understand is that love is in some weird

1615
01:00:21,289 --> 01:00:19,740
metaphysical way all the sages of the

1616
01:00:23,690 --> 01:00:21,299
old times we're talking about it we

1617
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:23,700
probably should be paying attention love

1618
01:00:29,569 --> 01:00:26,640
is what brings us together

1619
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:29,579
fear is what pulls us apart there's only

1620
01:00:32,569 --> 01:00:30,660
love and there's fear and that's what

1621
01:00:35,150 --> 01:00:32,579
it's all about if you're a loving person

1622
01:00:37,549 --> 01:00:35,160
again I don't mean like romantic love I

1623
01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:37,559
mean just like love like all you know

1624
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:39,900
ways of being empathy compassion

1625
01:00:42,589 --> 01:00:41,040
humility

1626
01:00:44,569 --> 01:00:42,599
if you're a loving being you're going to

1627
01:00:47,809 --> 01:00:44,579
have positive experiences if you're a

1628
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:47,819
fearful being who has you know hatred

1629
01:00:51,890 --> 01:00:49,740
and anger and violence and all these

1630
01:00:54,530 --> 01:00:51,900
dark thoughts and problems in your life

1631
01:00:56,210 --> 01:00:54,540
you're going to have dark experiences

1632
01:00:57,530 --> 01:00:56,220
because you're separating yourself from

1633
01:00:58,670 --> 01:00:57,540
other people so it's all love versus

1634
01:01:00,170 --> 01:00:58,680
fear

1635
01:01:02,329 --> 01:01:00,180
love is what will save the world

1636
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,339
according to the lady

1637
01:01:06,049 --> 01:01:04,079
so

1638
01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:06,059
and according to the Beatles Love is All

1639
01:01:10,130 --> 01:01:07,740
You Need I think that takes us nicely

1640
01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:10,140
and to the less not questions as well

1641
01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:10,980
Ryan

1642
01:01:14,329 --> 01:01:12,420
um so a lot of really good stuff there I

1643
01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:14,339
appreciate that and like I say folks we

1644
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,500
had so many questions sent over I've

1645
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,720
tried to get through as much as I can

1646
01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:19,920
and I like always say it's not

1647
01:01:24,349 --> 01:01:22,260
necessarily the best one so if your

1648
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:24,359
question is not there I apologize it's

1649
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,220
just time constraints as well and Ryan's

1650
01:01:31,069 --> 01:01:28,079
been great with this time today and so

1651
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:31,079
the first question was from walker uh he

1652
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:32,640
wanted to know respectfully just

1653
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,740
wondering Ryan are there any comparisons

1654
01:01:39,410 --> 01:01:36,480
that have been done between your dad's

1655
01:01:41,690 --> 01:01:39,420
DNA before and after any of the these

1656
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:41,700
experiences from hairbrush samples

1657
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:44,040
anything like that to see if the DNA has

1658
01:01:48,410 --> 01:01:45,839
ever changed or been altered

1659
01:01:51,049 --> 01:01:48,420
if it was done it was covert uh my dad

1660
01:01:53,329 --> 01:01:51,059
has never like volunteered his DNA

1661
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:53,339
but it was instructed to us by Jim

1662
01:01:59,809 --> 01:01:57,119
simivan to explore our DNA because he

1663
01:02:01,250 --> 01:01:59,819
thinks that that could be a big part of

1664
01:02:03,289 --> 01:02:01,260
the reason why we're having such an

1665
01:02:06,109 --> 01:02:03,299
intense volume

1666
01:02:07,490 --> 01:02:06,119
of experiences but no my dad is never

1667
01:02:09,950 --> 01:02:07,500
like plucked his hair and sent it to

1668
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:09,960
anybody someone probably swabbed some

1669
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,760
DNA we've we've literally been hanging

1670
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:13,680
out with spies for the last you know

1671
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:15,900
however many years and whatever results

1672
01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:18,119
they have they didn't tell us

1673
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,309
um has Ryan or Chris so have you or your

1674
01:02:28,670 --> 01:02:27,119
dad ever met Bob Bigelow or be an

1675
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:28,680
interviewed by his company

1676
01:02:32,690 --> 01:02:30,540
um he thinks that Mr Bigelow would be

1677
01:02:34,849 --> 01:02:32,700
very interested in meeting your family

1678
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,859
we've never been directly contacted by

1679
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:37,200
Bigelow but Colonel John B Alexander

1680
01:02:42,890 --> 01:02:40,799
invited my dad on behalf of Bigelow to

1681
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:42,900
speak at one of his conferences in Las

1682
01:02:47,390 --> 01:02:46,260
Vegas uh you know Nevada but for some

1683
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:47,400
reason that didn't happen I can't

1684
01:02:51,710 --> 01:02:49,440
remember if it was covid or whatever but

1685
01:02:53,870 --> 01:02:51,720
so we never spoke but he knows who we

1686
01:02:56,569 --> 01:02:53,880
are and Grant Cameron

1687
01:02:58,370 --> 01:02:56,579
told me that he was speaking with

1688
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:58,380
another mutual friend of our fathers who

1689
01:03:01,430 --> 01:03:00,000
who likes to remain anonymous I'm not

1690
01:03:02,210 --> 01:03:01,440
going to say his name

1691
01:03:05,569 --> 01:03:02,220
um

1692
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:05,579
where he was basically informed

1693
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,400
so let me let me back up a little bit so

1694
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:10,559
the team that investigated my family on

1695
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:12,299
behalf of mufon is what is called the

1696
01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:15,359
mufon Star Team okay we're one of the

1697
01:03:22,569 --> 01:03:18,839
first cases ever for the mufon Star team

1698
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,579
Bob Bigelow's OSAP program

1699
01:03:26,930 --> 01:03:24,480
collected data

1700
01:03:28,910 --> 01:03:26,940
through the mufon Star team

1701
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:28,920
so Grant Cameron basically made me

1702
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:30,960
understand that the Star team was acting

1703
01:03:35,569 --> 01:03:33,839
on behalf of Bigelow's OSAP which was

1704
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,579
you know intensely focused on like

1705
01:03:39,170 --> 01:03:37,200
Consciousness and life after death and

1706
01:03:40,849 --> 01:03:39,180
things of that nature so his theory is

1707
01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:40,859
that we were Bigelow's first case with

1708
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,839
OSAP

1709
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:44,640
okay thanks for that

1710
01:03:48,049 --> 01:03:46,380
um and also Walker had one more question

1711
01:03:49,549 --> 01:03:48,059
well he had a lot more but uh you'll

1712
01:03:50,990 --> 01:03:49,559
have to shoot into the patreon for some

1713
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:51,000
more of those

1714
01:03:54,650 --> 01:03:52,799
um Chris said he had a video of an

1715
01:03:57,170 --> 01:03:54,660
entity walking but he wasn't allowed to

1716
01:03:59,089 --> 01:03:57,180
show it have you seen the video and why

1717
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:59,099
can't Chris show it and it wants to know

1718
01:04:02,690 --> 01:04:00,480
was it anything to do with contractual

1719
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,700
reasons or requested not to by

1720
01:04:07,370 --> 01:04:04,559
government types I actually have the

1721
01:04:10,130 --> 01:04:07,380
inter uh the video and I've showed it to

1722
01:04:12,829 --> 01:04:10,140
lots of people like in person you know

1723
01:04:14,750 --> 01:04:12,839
and um he's he's allowed to share

1724
01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:14,760
whatever he wants unless it was

1725
01:04:18,829 --> 01:04:16,680
something that uh

1726
01:04:20,210 --> 01:04:18,839
you know was told to us in confidence by

1727
01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:20,220
somebody in the Department of Defense

1728
01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:23,460
Jim Cindy van told us plainly like you

1729
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:26,040
know this story belongs to us

1730
01:04:30,049 --> 01:04:28,740
uh anybody who says that they're working

1731
01:04:31,789 --> 01:04:30,059
for the CIA and they're going to kill us

1732
01:04:33,049 --> 01:04:31,799
or whatever they're Liars they're just

1733
01:04:34,609 --> 01:04:33,059
trying to intimidate us and that has

1734
01:04:36,829 --> 01:04:34,619
happened as I spoke about earlier like

1735
01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:36,839
people affiliated with people in the CIA

1736
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:39,660
threat and kill us they're Liars they're

1737
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:41,220
just trying to scare us

1738
01:04:44,210 --> 01:04:42,480
um anyway so

1739
01:04:44,930 --> 01:04:44,220
the reason my dad will not share the

1740
01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:44,940
video

1741
01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:46,440
is

1742
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:49,020
not necessarily contractually obligated

1743
01:04:54,530 --> 01:04:52,160
but the investigator who took the video

1744
01:04:58,010 --> 01:04:54,540
never agreed

1745
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:58,020
to share it publicly we feel that it's

1746
01:05:01,730 --> 01:05:00,000
not appropriate necessarily to share

1747
01:05:04,130 --> 01:05:01,740
everything

1748
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:04,140
that was taken by other people with

1749
01:05:08,750 --> 01:05:06,960
their credentials on the line and also

1750
01:05:10,370 --> 01:05:08,760
he's just not ready to share it you know

1751
01:05:12,650 --> 01:05:10,380
it'll be out there someday I'll probably

1752
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:12,660
bug him enough but it's not what people

1753
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:15,359
think it is it's Pitch Black in our

1754
01:05:22,609 --> 01:05:18,540
backyard with an infrared night vision

1755
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:22,619
sensor that is detecting real bodies of

1756
01:05:28,430 --> 01:05:24,000
light moving through the property

1757
01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:28,440
there's a lot of context and setup that

1758
01:05:31,970 --> 01:05:30,540
goes with this video that needs careful

1759
01:05:33,289 --> 01:05:31,980
explanation and he's not just going to

1760
01:05:35,690 --> 01:05:33,299
throw it out there just because people

1761
01:05:36,490 --> 01:05:35,700
want it out there again we are private

1762
01:05:42,170 --> 01:05:36,500
people

1763
01:05:43,789 --> 01:05:42,180
gathered data it's not necessarily

1764
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:43,799
uh

1765
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:46,500
hours to just throw out there without

1766
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:49,920
the person ready to like vouch for it

1767
01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:52,740
and help us explain it

1768
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:54,660
um we've recently been in contact with

1769
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:56,220
the person who did take that video on

1770
01:06:00,829 --> 01:05:58,559
our property and uh she seems pretty

1771
01:06:02,329 --> 01:06:00,839
willing to go out there and talk about

1772
01:06:04,490 --> 01:06:02,339
it with us but that's that's just not

1773
01:06:06,170 --> 01:06:04,500
our priority right now

1774
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,180
hopefully that does see the light of day

1775
01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:08,400
it's I've got a two-part question then

1776
01:06:12,049 --> 01:06:10,680
maybe two parts depending on your yes or

1777
01:06:13,789 --> 01:06:12,059
no fuss part

1778
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:13,799
um is that the best piece of evidence

1779
01:06:22,970 --> 01:06:21,109
yeah probably I would say so I think

1780
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:22,980
there's been a lot of hype around it on

1781
01:06:26,569 --> 01:06:24,480
the internet and people get hyped and

1782
01:06:28,609 --> 01:06:26,579
hype and then they see these videos and

1783
01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:28,619
these photos that these beings give us

1784
01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:31,260
and then they say it's fake but it's not

1785
01:06:35,569 --> 01:06:33,180
fake we've shown it to people in the CIA

1786
01:06:36,770 --> 01:06:35,579
and it just like drops their jaws to the

1787
01:06:38,329 --> 01:06:36,780
floor it's stuff that they weren't

1788
01:06:41,329 --> 01:06:38,339
necessarily even getting at Skinwalker

1789
01:06:44,270 --> 01:06:41,339
Ranch I know for a fact by speaking with

1790
01:06:45,950 --> 01:06:44,280
Colonel John B Alexander uh Jim cinevan

1791
01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:45,960
and then of course everybody knows that

1792
01:06:49,609 --> 01:06:47,640
Dad has you know hung out with Lou he

1793
01:06:51,770 --> 01:06:49,619
literally said it on your show

1794
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:51,780
um what we know about what went on

1795
01:06:56,510 --> 01:06:53,760
behind the scenes at Skinwalker Ranch is

1796
01:06:58,670 --> 01:06:56,520
that the phenomenon intensely messed

1797
01:07:01,010 --> 01:06:58,680
with them just to prove a point that it

1798
01:07:04,370 --> 01:07:01,020
won't be captured against their will so

1799
01:07:06,349 --> 01:07:04,380
the the sheer volume and in many cases

1800
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:06,359
intensity of the photos and videos that

1801
01:07:12,049 --> 01:07:08,880
my dad has captured is literally

1802
01:07:14,569 --> 01:07:12,059
boggling the mind of these people

1803
01:07:16,910 --> 01:07:14,579
um you know ask John B Alexander he came

1804
01:07:18,589 --> 01:07:16,920
to vet my dad and sort of like debunk

1805
01:07:20,809 --> 01:07:18,599
him a little bit walks out to the Cape

1806
01:07:22,849 --> 01:07:20,819
Fear River sees a light in the sky wrote

1807
01:07:24,650 --> 01:07:22,859
a book with my dad you know trying to

1808
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:24,660
make him his first chapter below his

1809
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:26,940
mind so yeah I think the video with the

1810
01:07:30,410 --> 01:07:28,799
right context is mind-blowing but it's

1811
01:07:32,109 --> 01:07:30,420
not like you're gonna you know zoom in

1812
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:32,119
and get high definition

1813
01:07:36,650 --> 01:07:34,559
sweat dripping down the face of some

1814
01:07:38,089 --> 01:07:36,660
physical being it's not like that you

1815
01:07:39,950 --> 01:07:38,099
know so there's a lot of context

1816
01:07:41,290 --> 01:07:39,960
necessary for this video before we put

1817
01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:41,300
it out there

1818
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:43,380
[Music]

1819
01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:44,880
of course I appreciate you taking the

1820
01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:46,740
time for that as well and like you say

1821
01:07:50,930 --> 01:07:49,079
putting there's not much you can put

1822
01:07:53,089 --> 01:07:50,940
online now whether it's a photograph or

1823
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:53,099
a video that the masses are happy with

1824
01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:55,440
especially if you look at UFO Twitter or

1825
01:07:58,849 --> 01:07:57,180
this community people just pick

1826
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:58,859
everything apart anyway

1827
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:00,720
um I think you could put a legit alien

1828
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,119
body picture out there and people would

1829
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,520
nah not real yeah not that's fake you

1830
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:07,440
can tell and yeah that's the way it is

1831
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:08,640
these days

1832
01:08:12,829 --> 01:08:10,500
um so I can understand taking your time

1833
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:12,839
Matt had a question and uh I spoke about

1834
01:08:15,770 --> 01:08:14,400
this one before the Pod

1835
01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:15,780
um it wanted to know a little bit more

1836
01:08:19,789 --> 01:08:18,060
about the lady and her relation to

1837
01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:19,799
ancient goddesses which she did touch on

1838
01:08:25,010 --> 01:08:22,500
but uh The White Buffalo Calf Woman and

1839
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:25,020
is there any backstory to explore there

1840
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:26,940
yeah I mean I think I really did hit

1841
01:08:30,050 --> 01:08:28,500
that pretty hard earlier but I'll just

1842
01:08:31,970 --> 01:08:30,060
kind of recap it

1843
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,980
um sorry I've I've met it's okay it's

1844
01:08:34,910 --> 01:08:33,600
okay I'm off a little calf Women Part

1845
01:08:36,590 --> 01:08:34,920
yeah yeah the second part of that

1846
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:36,600
question I can go more into that but I'm

1847
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:37,920
just gonna say as for the first part of

1848
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:39,600
the question to The Listener

1849
01:08:42,769 --> 01:08:41,160
um I appreciate the question I kind of

1850
01:08:44,090 --> 01:08:42,779
really in the detail went into the whole

1851
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:44,100
what I think about like the goddess

1852
01:08:50,510 --> 01:08:47,279
thing earlier I think she's a literal

1853
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:50,520
uh manifestation that we can comprehend

1854
01:08:56,209 --> 01:08:52,319
as the

1855
01:08:58,430 --> 01:08:56,219
literal force of love the force

1856
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:58,440
um I think there are forces I think

1857
01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:01,440
there are archetypes at play behind this

1858
01:09:04,490 --> 01:09:03,420
limited little symbolic world that we

1859
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,500
live in

1860
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:06,719
um and as for the Buffalo Calf Woman

1861
01:09:11,090 --> 01:09:08,880
that would be I think the Lakota tribe

1862
01:09:16,249 --> 01:09:11,100
uh many many

1863
01:09:19,249 --> 01:09:16,259
years ago uh this this Lakota

1864
01:09:20,809 --> 01:09:19,259
saw the Buffalo Calf Woman Who

1865
01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:20,819
you know gave him some visions and

1866
01:09:23,809 --> 01:09:22,140
Prophecies of the future my dad and I

1867
01:09:25,970 --> 01:09:23,819
were and I were made aware of her until

1868
01:09:28,430 --> 01:09:25,980
Tom Delong came out with that

1869
01:09:29,870 --> 01:09:28,440
pretty obvious why he's making the

1870
01:09:31,370 --> 01:09:29,880
documentary in the first place now

1871
01:09:32,050 --> 01:09:31,380
everybody and their mother talks about a

1872
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:32,060
lady

1873
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:34,080
you know

1874
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:36,960
I don't want to disparage anybody but my

1875
01:09:40,490 --> 01:09:38,940
dad spoke about the lady in 2012 and now

1876
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:40,500
it seems to be everyone's talking about

1877
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:41,520
her

1878
01:09:47,209 --> 01:09:44,100
it's obvious you know so um to the Stars

1879
01:09:50,150 --> 01:09:47,219
Academy very much it does I know for a

1880
01:09:51,650 --> 01:09:50,160
fact because I um have private

1881
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:51,660
conversations with Jim Simi van and I

1882
01:09:56,750 --> 01:09:54,239
know that they read my tweets

1883
01:09:59,390 --> 01:09:56,760
communicate with Dad see stuff on his

1884
01:10:02,630 --> 01:09:59,400
Facebook they stay Savvy on what we're

1885
01:10:04,910 --> 01:10:02,640
saying and it comes out in their

1886
01:10:06,650 --> 01:10:04,920
literature you know when Tom Delong and

1887
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:06,660
I mean this with utmost respect if Tom

1888
01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:07,860
is listening

1889
01:10:12,410 --> 01:10:10,679
I very much like Tom my dad has hung out

1890
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:12,420
with him several times he's a very

1891
01:10:16,130 --> 01:10:13,920
serious

1892
01:10:18,050 --> 01:10:16,140
and truthfully intellectual individual

1893
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:18,060
he's got this Persona as being this like

1894
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,400
silly rock star he's very smart

1895
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:23,040
um you know and every time my dad ever

1896
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:24,960
hung out with him in the beginning it

1897
01:10:28,610 --> 01:10:26,219
was all like

1898
01:10:30,169 --> 01:10:28,620
you know reptilians aliens this is what

1899
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:30,179
these Generals in the Army are telling

1900
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,159
me whatever my dad said no it's not Tom

1901
01:10:35,570 --> 01:10:34,080
it's spiritual it's this it's that the

1902
01:10:36,890 --> 01:10:35,580
other next thing you know secret

1903
01:10:38,689 --> 01:10:36,900
machines comes out with a book it's all

1904
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:38,699
about gods and goddesses it's all about

1905
01:10:43,370 --> 01:10:41,280
shooting love bombs to like fight these

1906
01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:43,380
psychic presences so what my dad is

1907
01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:46,140
saying is changing the UFO world it's

1908
01:10:50,570 --> 01:10:48,360
like a ripple you know to the Stars

1909
01:10:52,189 --> 01:10:50,580
Academy with the Lakota Calf Woman uh

1910
01:10:56,750 --> 01:10:52,199
the Buffalo Calf Woman that's that's

1911
01:10:59,090 --> 01:10:56,760
another version of that you know so

1912
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,100
did that answer the question it that

1913
01:11:02,990 --> 01:11:00,960
yeah and I think like we know there's a

1914
01:11:05,450 --> 01:11:03,000
a documentary series potentially in the

1915
01:11:07,970 --> 01:11:05,460
works to do with the Lakota as well yeah

1916
01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:07,980
um may not be coming out yeah so

1917
01:11:10,669 --> 01:11:09,480
hopefully that still goes ahead with all

1918
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,679
the changes and stuff that that's

1919
01:11:14,930 --> 01:11:13,199
happened to and again like on the off

1920
01:11:17,689 --> 01:11:14,940
chance Tom is listening especially with

1921
01:11:20,030 --> 01:11:17,699
you being on Ryan I'd like Tom to speak

1922
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,040
to not even just myself someone a George

1923
01:11:23,870 --> 01:11:22,320
not anyone disregarding ttsa and what's

1924
01:11:25,550 --> 01:11:23,880
happened because he's been a little bit

1925
01:11:27,290 --> 01:11:25,560
quiet for someone who is very noisy for

1926
01:11:28,490 --> 01:11:27,300
a while as well

1927
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:28,500
um

1928
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,880
don't know what you think about that

1929
01:11:34,370 --> 01:11:32,159
like you know this is not a lesson a

1930
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:34,380
question but for me he was very involved

1931
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:36,800
and you know I'm a fan of Tom's music

1932
01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:39,540
particularly the blink stuff

1933
01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:41,460
um huge admired of what he'd done

1934
01:11:44,689 --> 01:11:42,900
bringing ttsa together because

1935
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:44,699
regardless what's happened at the end he

1936
01:11:49,610 --> 01:11:46,860
did bring all that together as a group

1937
01:11:51,709 --> 01:11:49,620
and it's really impressive and he'll he

1938
01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:51,719
enjoyed the

1939
01:11:55,370 --> 01:11:54,060
the fruits of the labor and a lot of

1940
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,380
people getting on board with it you know

1941
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:57,600
I've um whether my ttsa hoodie just now

1942
01:12:02,450 --> 01:12:00,480
nice but the way things have gone with

1943
01:12:04,669 --> 01:12:02,460
the company isn't necessarily what it

1944
01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:04,679
started out advertising and I think

1945
01:12:07,850 --> 01:12:06,060
that's disappointed a lot of people a

1946
01:12:09,470 --> 01:12:07,860
lot of people lost a lot of money

1947
01:12:11,630 --> 01:12:09,480
um a lot of faith in what was happening

1948
01:12:14,209 --> 01:12:11,640
and I think Tom just went very quiet and

1949
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,219
I think he owes at least an interview to

1950
01:12:18,649 --> 01:12:17,040
to someone just on what happened and you

1951
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,659
know we're not looking for the the dot

1952
01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:20,880
on it but just come out and talk but I

1953
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:22,020
think I think that would be the least

1954
01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:24,600
they could do well I will say this

1955
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:25,260
um

1956
01:12:30,830 --> 01:12:28,080
you know when I recently the last time I

1957
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,840
spoke to Jim on the phone I I kind of I

1958
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,400
don't like to bother my friends about

1959
01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:34,320
like personal business all the time you

1960
01:12:38,570 --> 01:12:36,300
know and I did ask him a couple

1961
01:12:40,850 --> 01:12:38,580
questions like how's ttsa how's Tom I'd

1962
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:40,860
love to meet him and he did tell me that

1963
01:12:44,510 --> 01:12:43,020
they are working on some projects they

1964
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:44,520
haven't gone anywhere

1965
01:12:50,990 --> 01:12:46,920
here's what I would say to people

1966
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:51,000
if Lou and uh Chris Mellon and Steve

1967
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:52,400
Justice

1968
01:12:58,669 --> 01:12:56,640
left the company and then the remaining

1969
01:13:02,090 --> 01:12:58,679
members had to like address some sort of

1970
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:02,100
apology to me that signals they're done

1971
01:13:07,610 --> 01:13:05,520
them not even having to address it

1972
01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:07,620
probably a good sign they're not done

1973
01:13:11,689 --> 01:13:09,960
they're not going anywhere I know that

1974
01:13:14,510 --> 01:13:11,699
they you know from talking to Jim that

1975
01:13:16,729 --> 01:13:14,520
they're working on um

1976
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,739
I don't know if I should say they're

1977
01:13:20,450 --> 01:13:18,480
they're still they're not going anywhere

1978
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,460
in the immediate future they're still

1979
01:13:26,689 --> 01:13:22,800
turning gears I mean they're not done

1980
01:13:28,850 --> 01:13:26,699
you know Tom coming out and speaking on

1981
01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:28,860
his personal Twitter I'm not sure that

1982
01:13:32,750 --> 01:13:30,840
that necessarily should reflect on the

1983
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:32,760
company as a whole

1984
01:13:36,830 --> 01:13:33,360
um

1985
01:13:40,130 --> 01:13:36,840
I mean he shared my dad's you know

1986
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,140
entity photo a week or two ago you know

1987
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:42,719
said real picture he's still in the game

1988
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:44,880
he's still in the UFO game so I just

1989
01:13:48,649 --> 01:13:46,320
think people should

1990
01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:48,659
be patient and see what they're going to

1991
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:50,340
come out with

1992
01:13:54,350 --> 01:13:51,600
um I think that there are some very

1993
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:54,360
capable people at the head of it

1994
01:13:58,010 --> 01:13:56,159
um I mean I don't know exactly like

1995
01:14:00,250 --> 01:13:58,020
what's gonna happen but I don't know I

1996
01:14:03,169 --> 01:14:00,260
don't think they're done

1997
01:14:04,490 --> 01:14:03,179
the way I look at it Ryan and it's quite

1998
01:14:06,290 --> 01:14:04,500
unique because I'm talking about a

1999
01:14:08,810 --> 01:14:06,300
company but are you a sports fan in any

2000
01:14:10,010 --> 01:14:08,820
way unfortunately no I never got any

2001
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:10,020
sports

2002
01:14:14,689 --> 01:14:12,420
not that that's fine so I can use very

2003
01:14:16,970 --> 01:14:14,699
generic terms here so imagine you're a

2004
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:16,980
sports fan of a a basketball or a

2005
01:14:20,689 --> 01:14:19,199
football team or a baseball team and

2006
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,699
you'll love that team and you followed

2007
01:14:26,030 --> 01:14:22,560
them for for a long time and all of a

2008
01:14:28,189 --> 01:14:26,040
sudden your team out of nowhere gets rid

2009
01:14:29,689 --> 01:14:28,199
of it's three best players or your three

2010
01:14:31,610 --> 01:14:29,699
best players leave

2011
01:14:32,990 --> 01:14:31,620
you would expect the team to make some

2012
01:14:34,669 --> 01:14:33,000
kind of statement the team's not going

2013
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,679
anywhere the team's still going to be

2014
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,000
there it's still going to be performing

2015
01:14:40,250 --> 01:14:38,159
but you would like some kind of

2016
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,260
transparency and I think that's the way

2017
01:14:45,649 --> 01:14:42,719
I sort of feel about it that you support

2018
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:45,659
them and it's odd to see you support a

2019
01:14:50,090 --> 01:14:47,520
company but but we did and many of us

2020
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,100
did and it's just like it's just been so

2021
01:14:52,970 --> 01:14:52,080
quiet that there's been such a seismic

2022
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:52,980
shift

2023
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:55,440
it's let's hear a little something and

2024
01:15:00,169 --> 01:14:58,080
especially when Tom was he was sitting

2025
01:15:02,330 --> 01:15:00,179
doing um and I've used a 10 minute

2026
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:02,340
interviews on Instagram with YouTubers

2027
01:15:06,050 --> 01:15:04,320
and influencers and things like that so

2028
01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:06,060
it would just be good to hear from him

2029
01:15:09,649 --> 01:15:08,340
in that capacity but I I get and like

2030
01:15:11,930 --> 01:15:09,659
you say that they're making the movie

2031
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:11,940
the the monsters in California stuff and

2032
01:15:15,709 --> 01:15:14,400
yeah um yeah so there's more to come so

2033
01:15:18,649 --> 01:15:15,719
we'll hopefully hear something sooner

2034
01:15:21,530 --> 01:15:18,659
than later sure um more questions we had

2035
01:15:24,050 --> 01:15:21,540
bubs Bobs is wondering if the family has

2036
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:24,060
any plans to capture the phenomenon and

2037
01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:26,880
compile up best of footage of sorts to

2038
01:15:30,590 --> 01:15:28,440
bring more awareness to the masses

2039
01:15:33,229 --> 01:15:30,600
around the world

2040
01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:33,239
yeah I mean that's a tough It's a good

2041
01:15:38,930 --> 01:15:35,880
question but it's a tough answer

2042
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:38,940
when you start to like plan to do

2043
01:15:42,890 --> 01:15:40,500
anything with this phenomenon I feel

2044
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:42,900
like you've lost it you know just ask

2045
01:15:47,149 --> 01:15:45,360
the guys who studied at Skinwalker Ranch

2046
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:47,159
it's very elusive

2047
01:15:52,850 --> 01:15:49,199
it's very smart

2048
01:15:55,310 --> 01:15:52,860
um me and Dad or dad and I have this

2049
01:15:57,169 --> 01:15:55,320
idea that's been very successful and we

2050
01:15:59,930 --> 01:15:57,179
still have contact and experiences all

2051
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,940
these years that this phenomenon should

2052
01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:01,920
be highly respected

2053
01:16:06,050 --> 01:16:03,540
you should be patient with it and

2054
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:06,060
understand that it's going to do

2055
01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:08,400
what it wants to do when it's ready it's

2056
01:16:11,630 --> 01:16:09,900
not like we can just walk out there and

2057
01:16:12,830 --> 01:16:11,640
just get it against us will you know so

2058
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:12,840
we're not like

2059
01:16:19,610 --> 01:16:16,260
necessarily scheming this what we are

2060
01:16:22,010 --> 01:16:19,620
operating under is the true belief that

2061
01:16:23,390 --> 01:16:22,020
it's going to line up

2062
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:23,400
the right people are going to come with

2063
01:16:29,390 --> 01:16:24,960
the right equipment the intention will

2064
01:16:34,010 --> 01:16:31,790
do you think then and you can make this

2065
01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:34,020
a yes or no for all intents and purposes

2066
01:16:38,209 --> 01:16:36,300
if I came along as someone with a

2067
01:16:40,850 --> 01:16:38,219
massive interest in this subject which I

2068
01:16:45,470 --> 01:16:40,860
have and I had a ton of money which I

2069
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:45,480
don't and I set up 28k cameras around

2070
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:48,000
your dad's property for a month in film

2071
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:51,719
24 7 and live streamed it would those

2072
01:16:54,830 --> 01:16:53,460
cabinets pick up anything or do you

2073
01:16:57,229 --> 01:16:54,840
think the phenomenon would deliberately

2074
01:16:58,669 --> 01:16:57,239
avoid that well it would depend it would

2075
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:58,679
depend on what the intention is of the

2076
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:00,719
Observer if the Observer was secretly

2077
01:17:04,490 --> 01:17:02,940
going to capture the data and then whisk

2078
01:17:06,110 --> 01:17:04,500
it away and never share it probably

2079
01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:06,120
wouldn't do anything

2080
01:17:09,290 --> 01:17:07,800
um if the intention was pure and the

2081
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:09,300
person was coming up from the goodness

2082
01:17:12,530 --> 01:17:11,040
of their heart to really interface with

2083
01:17:14,209 --> 01:17:12,540
this phenomenon and help the world with

2084
01:17:16,490 --> 01:17:14,219
it yeah I think you'd get it and it

2085
01:17:18,590 --> 01:17:16,500
would be crazy so that's how me and my

2086
01:17:20,510 --> 01:17:18,600
dad see this and operate

2087
01:17:22,669 --> 01:17:20,520
with this phenomenon is the intention

2088
01:17:25,010 --> 01:17:22,679
has to be pure we don't like worship

2089
01:17:26,689 --> 01:17:25,020
them this isn't some stupid cult like

2090
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:26,699
people say on the internet but we

2091
01:17:31,790 --> 01:17:29,520
respect that there are beings from some

2092
01:17:33,770 --> 01:17:31,800
other place that are interacting with us

2093
01:17:36,590 --> 01:17:33,780
on the regular

2094
01:17:38,090 --> 01:17:36,600
when they're ready to you know so it

2095
01:17:41,649 --> 01:17:38,100
depends on the intention and we are

2096
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:41,659
going to allow people who we truly trust

2097
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,780
to uh try to do this when when we meet

2098
01:17:48,410 --> 01:17:47,280
them which you know we have met some

2099
01:17:49,970 --> 01:17:48,420
really good people just hasn't always

2100
01:17:53,810 --> 01:17:49,980
lined up

2101
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:53,820
um you know but it's the intention

2102
01:17:58,669 --> 01:17:56,880
at Dave samanthos to submits a lot of

2103
01:18:00,410 --> 01:17:58,679
really good questions for the Pod

2104
01:18:02,810 --> 01:18:00,420
um have you and your dad ever thought if

2105
01:18:07,070 --> 01:18:02,820
the phenomena is potentially misleading

2106
01:18:09,169 --> 01:18:07,080
you or not what they seem never

2107
01:18:11,330 --> 01:18:09,179
never no

2108
01:18:14,090 --> 01:18:11,340
and another follow-up question to that

2109
01:18:16,010 --> 01:18:14,100
as well is why do you think you and your

2110
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:16,020
dad um or why do you think those people

2111
01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:18,960
from NASA are so interested in the

2112
01:18:24,110 --> 01:18:20,940
phenomenon obviously NASA is the idea is

2113
01:18:25,550 --> 01:18:24,120
they are trying to explore space and the

2114
01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:25,560
what we're looking at here potentially

2115
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:29,580
is that these beings are dimensional

2116
01:18:32,990 --> 01:18:31,440
I think I loved your language earlier

2117
01:18:34,669 --> 01:18:33,000
actually a good t-shirt intensely

2118
01:18:36,290 --> 01:18:34,679
interdimensional

2119
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:36,300
um let's not arrange for you potentially

2120
01:18:40,490 --> 01:18:38,880
but yeah so why do you think what NASA

2121
01:18:42,110 --> 01:18:40,500
would have that interest in like those

2122
01:18:44,689 --> 01:18:42,120
dimensional beings

2123
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:44,699
because they know that's what they are

2124
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:48,719
they know the nature of this phenomenon

2125
01:18:54,290 --> 01:18:52,320
why would they come to my family's house

2126
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,300
if they were in communication with them

2127
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:56,880
think about it the people at Skinwalker

2128
01:19:03,050 --> 01:18:59,600
Ranch we know that it was run by Bigelow

2129
01:19:04,910 --> 01:19:03,060
funded with big pockets and I know for a

2130
01:19:08,350 --> 01:19:04,920
fact I just said it that people like

2131
01:19:10,970 --> 01:19:08,360
zombie Alexander whose Army intelligence

2132
01:19:12,590 --> 01:19:10,980
people on behalf of the government were

2133
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:12,600
trying to pin down this phenomenon and

2134
01:19:15,169 --> 01:19:13,920
figure out what it is and it didn't play

2135
01:19:17,330 --> 01:19:15,179
ball

2136
01:19:19,790 --> 01:19:17,340
why is it that we read on the internet

2137
01:19:21,229 --> 01:19:19,800
that so and so president got abducted

2138
01:19:24,290 --> 01:19:21,239
and they flew out on a spaceship and

2139
01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:24,300
everyone believes that and we you know

2140
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,760
they can't understand

2141
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:28,560
the Consciousness aspect of the

2142
01:19:32,930 --> 01:19:30,480
phenomenon all they want to hear is this

2143
01:19:34,370 --> 01:19:32,940
nuts and bolts I spoke with an alien

2144
01:19:35,689 --> 01:19:34,380
blah blah blah

2145
01:19:37,490 --> 01:19:35,699
that's not what we're dealing with this

2146
01:19:40,189 --> 01:19:37,500
government knows that this is an elusive

2147
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:40,199
phenomenon it's why they're scared of it

2148
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:42,239
in my opinion I don't represent the US

2149
01:19:48,910 --> 01:19:44,880
government but I've met a lot of them

2150
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,410
anticipating what it wants because they

2151
01:19:55,070 --> 01:19:53,280
know that it is greater than them or

2152
01:19:57,950 --> 01:19:55,080
anybody on Earth they know that they're

2153
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:57,960
powerless to it so what do they do

2154
01:20:02,209 --> 01:20:00,719
they um they try to find like

2155
01:20:03,770 --> 01:20:02,219
connections to it one of those

2156
01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:03,780
connections is my Dad one of those

2157
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:05,820
connections is Skinwalker Ranch I don't

2158
01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:08,159
think that the government is just like

2159
01:20:11,570 --> 01:20:09,780
full Reigns like chatting with these

2160
01:20:13,790 --> 01:20:11,580
beings like men in black and they have

2161
01:20:16,250 --> 01:20:13,800
you know this that and the other

2162
01:20:19,490 --> 01:20:16,260
um I think this whole threat Paradigm is

2163
01:20:22,189 --> 01:20:19,500
because they really feel like

2164
01:20:23,570 --> 01:20:22,199
uh powerless to this thing you can't

2165
01:20:25,850 --> 01:20:23,580
just shoot a missile at Consciousness

2166
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,860
man you just can't do that it makes me

2167
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:27,360
laugh everybody's on this whole threat

2168
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,560
narrative and they don't even realize

2169
01:20:33,709 --> 01:20:30,960
that we are the threat

2170
01:20:35,870 --> 01:20:33,719
to this realm the humans the humans are

2171
01:20:37,370 --> 01:20:35,880
the ones destroying this Earth some

2172
01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:37,380
alien ain't gonna come down and blow us

2173
01:20:40,850 --> 01:20:38,940
up that's just not going to happen

2174
01:20:42,350 --> 01:20:40,860
what's going to happen is we're going to

2175
01:20:44,030 --> 01:20:42,360
be told that they will and we'll be

2176
01:20:46,189 --> 01:20:44,040
scared and then we'll go on that fear

2177
01:20:48,590 --> 01:20:46,199
timeline you know that's what was told

2178
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:48,600
to my dad by the lady don't believe the

2179
01:20:53,810 --> 01:20:50,880
lie

2180
01:20:56,630 --> 01:20:53,820
how do you uh so next up Charles asks

2181
01:20:58,910 --> 01:20:56,640
how do you account for experiences who

2182
01:21:00,890 --> 01:20:58,920
have had contact events that don't seem

2183
01:21:04,610 --> 01:21:00,900
to fit into the Paradigm of your dad's

2184
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:07,010
I mean I haven't really met him I I hate

2185
01:21:11,390 --> 01:21:08,880
to say this and I say this with respect

2186
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:11,400
but I don't I don't believe everything I

2187
01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:12,719
read out there on the internet just like

2188
01:21:16,850 --> 01:21:14,760
people don't believe me just because I'm

2189
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,860
saying it you know if I meet these

2190
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,960
people and they look me in the eyes and

2191
01:21:21,649 --> 01:21:20,400
I get the true feeling that they're

2192
01:21:23,930 --> 01:21:21,659
telling me the truth then we'll figure

2193
01:21:26,330 --> 01:21:23,940
it out but

2194
01:21:28,130 --> 01:21:26,340
what I'm saying is all of my

2195
01:21:29,870 --> 01:21:28,140
conversations but these people in these

2196
01:21:32,450 --> 01:21:29,880
Department of Defense intelligence

2197
01:21:34,850 --> 01:21:32,460
agencies whatever my intense experiences

2198
01:21:36,830 --> 01:21:34,860
since I was a child

2199
01:21:39,530 --> 01:21:36,840
what I'm reading on the internet and

2200
01:21:40,970 --> 01:21:39,540
hearing and watching in films

2201
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:40,980
is not

2202
01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:44,159
vibing with what is real what is really

2203
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,260
happening what I'm being told what I'm

2204
01:21:50,510 --> 01:21:48,480
seeing what what I see in my bedroom at

2205
01:21:52,189 --> 01:21:50,520
night you know maybe there are people

2206
01:21:54,110 --> 01:21:52,199
out there having these experiences but I

2207
01:21:55,970 --> 01:21:54,120
haven't really met them and I I don't

2208
01:21:57,290 --> 01:21:55,980
know man I mean I think a lot of that

2209
01:21:59,149 --> 01:21:57,300
out there is disinformation I don't

2210
01:22:00,770 --> 01:21:59,159
think people realize how powerful and

2211
01:22:03,530 --> 01:22:00,780
how prevalent this information is in

2212
01:22:06,169 --> 01:22:03,540
this Society I think we live in a

2213
01:22:08,330 --> 01:22:06,179
a realm where we're all closer than we

2214
01:22:10,189 --> 01:22:08,340
think we are we're very socially

2215
01:22:11,570 --> 01:22:10,199
connected and we believe

2216
01:22:12,770 --> 01:22:11,580
pretty much anything we hear from

2217
01:22:14,570 --> 01:22:12,780
Authority

2218
01:22:15,649 --> 01:22:14,580
so people need to realize that just

2219
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:15,659
because they hear it on the internet

2220
01:22:19,490 --> 01:22:17,520
just because they hear it on TV or in a

2221
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,500
Hollywood movie or this or that you know

2222
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:21,600
so dude the white lab coat I don't

2223
01:22:26,090 --> 01:22:22,800
necessarily think that means it's real

2224
01:22:29,570 --> 01:22:26,100
or is true you know

2225
01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:29,580
awesome John asks um he was hoping you

2226
01:22:33,290 --> 01:22:31,380
you could talk a little bit about the

2227
01:22:35,689 --> 01:22:33,300
smoke or Vapors that appeared in your

2228
01:22:38,410 --> 01:22:35,699
family photos he thinks they look a lot

2229
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:38,420
like ectoplasm Vapors is that a like

2230
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:43,679
yeah so Again Jim Simi van told us

2231
01:22:49,130 --> 01:22:46,320
that that is what they call like entity

2232
01:22:51,290 --> 01:22:49,140
smoke and it's a sign that something is

2233
01:22:53,390 --> 01:22:51,300
manifesting we don't see this with our

2234
01:22:55,070 --> 01:22:53,400
eyes it shows up in photos so we're just

2235
01:22:57,169 --> 01:22:55,080
like snapping photos we have guests over

2236
01:23:00,350 --> 01:22:57,179
taking pictures of Jim and his wife with

2237
01:23:01,910 --> 01:23:00,360
like you know us and the the friends we

2238
01:23:03,470 --> 01:23:01,920
have over outside just having a good

2239
01:23:05,630 --> 01:23:03,480
time and we look at the photos and

2240
01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:05,640
they're riddled with this phenomenon so

2241
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:07,260
we sent it to Jim Simi band and he's

2242
01:23:11,090 --> 01:23:08,880
like oh my God I'm freaked out it's

2243
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:11,100
really funny because as knowledgeable as

2244
01:23:14,630 --> 01:23:12,719
he is about this stuff it terrifies him

2245
01:23:15,950 --> 01:23:14,640
to like think of being next to it

2246
01:23:18,050 --> 01:23:15,960
because he's an experiencer he's

2247
01:23:19,490 --> 01:23:18,060
experienced it so every time we have

2248
01:23:21,649 --> 01:23:19,500
these weird photos or like photos with

2249
01:23:23,570 --> 01:23:21,659
him and orbs it it's so funny how it

2250
01:23:25,490 --> 01:23:23,580
freaks him out

2251
01:23:27,050 --> 01:23:25,500
um it's it's like a joke we have but he

2252
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:27,060
says that it means something has

2253
01:23:32,750 --> 01:23:30,239
manifested in your presence

2254
01:23:34,250 --> 01:23:32,760
John also follows up asking to talk a

2255
01:23:36,530 --> 01:23:34,260
little bit about the health effects of

2256
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:36,540
the phenomenon your dad has mentioned

2257
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:38,159
previously in interviews the beings

2258
01:23:41,570 --> 01:23:40,080
don't realize they are radioactive and

2259
01:23:43,729 --> 01:23:41,580
can do harm

2260
01:23:48,590 --> 01:23:43,739
yeah well uh my dad has rheumatoid

2261
01:23:51,410 --> 01:23:48,600
arthritis which came on around about

2262
01:23:53,630 --> 01:23:51,420
somewhere between 2012 and 2016 I can't

2263
01:23:56,510 --> 01:23:53,640
remember but um

2264
01:23:59,330 --> 01:23:56,520
what we were made to understand by Diana

2265
01:24:01,850 --> 01:23:59,340
Walsh basulka is that in the Vatican

2266
01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:01,860
archives they have this uh literature

2267
01:24:06,830 --> 01:24:04,260
about Saint Francis of Assisi and his

2268
01:24:08,930 --> 01:24:06,840
effects of the Stigmata interacting with

2269
01:24:10,729 --> 01:24:08,940
beings of light and his limbs were not

2270
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,739
having like holes in the hands like you

2271
01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:12,719
see in Hollywood but his limbs were

2272
01:24:16,970 --> 01:24:15,540
crippled you know so their idea in Jim

2273
01:24:18,590 --> 01:24:16,980
Timmy van has had some talks with us

2274
01:24:20,689 --> 01:24:18,600
about this some like secret studies that

2275
01:24:21,649 --> 01:24:20,699
have gone on with experiencers

2276
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,659
um

2277
01:24:25,310 --> 01:24:23,760
they do have effects on the body and I

2278
01:24:26,330 --> 01:24:25,320
will say this which is crazy but it's

2279
01:24:28,970 --> 01:24:26,340
true

2280
01:24:32,090 --> 01:24:28,980
the lady who took that video

2281
01:24:33,470 --> 01:24:32,100
that we discussed earlier

2282
01:24:34,729 --> 01:24:33,480
um we didn't hear from her for two or

2283
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:34,739
three years

2284
01:24:38,570 --> 01:24:36,239
she got in touch with my dad and said

2285
01:24:40,189 --> 01:24:38,580
Chris after I met you and we you know

2286
01:24:42,410 --> 01:24:40,199
did all that investigation I came down

2287
01:24:43,970 --> 01:24:42,420
with rheumatoid arthritis

2288
01:24:45,709 --> 01:24:43,980
so

2289
01:24:50,930 --> 01:24:45,719
um that would be like what the Vatican

2290
01:24:55,130 --> 01:24:53,090
and uh speaking of the Vatican that's

2291
01:24:56,990 --> 01:24:55,140
segregate nicely into that question that

2292
01:24:58,130 --> 01:24:57,000
uh you asked me to move earlier because

2293
01:24:59,870 --> 01:24:58,140
it'll lead them to the following

2294
01:25:01,490 --> 01:24:59,880
question afterwards as well this one was

2295
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:01,500
again from Walker

2296
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,360
um does the Vatican ever check in with

2297
01:25:07,370 --> 01:25:05,280
Chris to see how he is going or for any

2298
01:25:09,169 --> 01:25:07,380
news on what the entities are up to or

2299
01:25:11,630 --> 01:25:09,179
for that matter has the Vatican been out

2300
01:25:14,090 --> 01:25:11,640
to the family home to investigate the

2301
01:25:17,410 --> 01:25:14,100
Vatican has not been to our home the

2302
01:25:20,570 --> 01:25:17,420
Vatican has corresponded uh to my dad

2303
01:25:23,149 --> 01:25:20,580
through Diana Walsh besoka um she

2304
01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:23,159
everybody saw where she took Tyler D

2305
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:25,679
from American Cosmic and they flew out

2306
01:25:30,890 --> 01:25:27,840
to the Vatican you know did some like

2307
01:25:32,570 --> 01:25:30,900
little ceremonies and things and she was

2308
01:25:35,209 --> 01:25:32,580
basically corresponding with my father

2309
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:35,219
like almost in real time about the

2310
01:25:38,990 --> 01:25:37,199
Jesuit priests there who were

2311
01:25:41,930 --> 01:25:39,000
communicating to her about my dad's

2312
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:41,940
experiences and like what they mean uh

2313
01:25:45,290 --> 01:25:43,920
the Vatican is very aware of this they

2314
01:25:47,149 --> 01:25:45,300
have many

2315
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:47,159
um documents in their archives about it

2316
01:25:52,250 --> 01:25:49,920
and like Diana privately shared some of

2317
01:25:53,630 --> 01:25:52,260
those documents with me e printed it out

2318
01:25:55,010 --> 01:25:53,640
and let me read it and it's about like a

2319
01:25:55,729 --> 01:25:55,020
young girl

2320
01:25:58,010 --> 01:25:55,739
um

2321
01:25:59,870 --> 01:25:58,020
back in the day like centuries ago

2322
01:26:00,590 --> 01:25:59,880
having beings of light come into her

2323
01:26:02,570 --> 01:26:00,600
room

2324
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:02,580
so they know what this is they're aware

2325
01:26:08,209 --> 01:26:05,280
of my father and Jesuit priests had

2326
01:26:09,709 --> 01:26:08,219
given Diana a blessed holy Relic to

2327
01:26:12,169 --> 01:26:09,719
bring to my dad to help him with his

2328
01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:12,179
arthritis they had a ceremony in the

2329
01:26:16,430 --> 01:26:13,380
papal Hall

2330
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:16,440
again with Jesuit priests in honor of

2331
01:26:20,930 --> 01:26:18,000
like healing my father of his rheumatoid

2332
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,940
arthritis and then Diana Walsh basilka

2333
01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:22,800
took a photo of my father

2334
01:26:27,530 --> 01:26:25,380
and put it in between the manuscripts of

2335
01:26:29,930 --> 01:26:27,540
Galileo and Copernicus and the secret

2336
01:26:32,030 --> 01:26:29,940
archives so these people haven't been to

2337
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,040
our house but they correspond with us in

2338
01:26:37,729 --> 01:26:34,080
the past we don't really uh keep up with

2339
01:26:41,810 --> 01:26:40,070
sure on the next question from Timothy

2340
01:26:42,590 --> 01:26:41,820
uh and again it was it was good of you

2341
01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:42,600
when I was going through these

2342
01:26:45,770 --> 01:26:44,040
beforehand to see and move this up

2343
01:26:47,629 --> 01:26:45,780
because they're related

2344
01:26:50,510 --> 01:26:47,639
um Timothy says I've heard Ryan say

2345
01:26:52,850 --> 01:26:50,520
before somehow Marian apparitions are

2346
01:26:55,070 --> 01:26:52,860
tied into the whole UFO visitor alien

2347
01:26:56,209 --> 01:26:55,080
phenomenon but you hadn't expanded on it

2348
01:26:58,129 --> 01:26:56,219
and you'd like to hear a little bit more

2349
01:27:00,110 --> 01:26:58,139
about that okay

2350
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:00,120
so

2351
01:27:07,370 --> 01:27:03,840
Jim told me that

2352
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:07,380
what my dad is experiencing is just like

2353
01:27:13,310 --> 01:27:10,560
the apparitions of the past uh like the

2354
01:27:16,129 --> 01:27:13,320
the Marian apparitions like Fatima

2355
01:27:17,689 --> 01:27:16,139
um obviously ttsa is making the

2356
01:27:19,850 --> 01:27:17,699
documentary about The White Buffalo Calf

2357
01:27:22,129 --> 01:27:19,860
Woman so it's you know you could

2358
01:27:25,070 --> 01:27:22,139
conclude that that's part of the same

2359
01:27:26,450 --> 01:27:25,080
phenomenon Diana Walsh pasoka was so

2360
01:27:28,970 --> 01:27:26,460
interested in my father in the first

2361
01:27:30,350 --> 01:27:28,980
place because when he started talking

2362
01:27:32,209 --> 01:27:30,360
about the ladies she immediately thought

2363
01:27:34,610 --> 01:27:32,219
of the miracle of the sun which is

2364
01:27:37,790 --> 01:27:34,620
Fatima you know the the Fatima operation

2365
01:27:40,570 --> 01:27:37,800
and what she communicated to us was that

2366
01:27:43,610 --> 01:27:40,580
the mainstream version of that is wrong

2367
01:27:45,169 --> 01:27:43,620
and what was in the Vatican archives or

2368
01:27:46,610 --> 01:27:45,179
whatever literature she had showed us

2369
01:27:48,890 --> 01:27:46,620
and made us read I don't I don't

2370
01:27:51,709 --> 01:27:48,900
remember it's been almost a decade

2371
01:27:55,129 --> 01:27:51,719
um they knew that it was really silver

2372
01:27:57,050 --> 01:27:55,139
discs in the sky next to The Apparition

2373
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,060
of the lady like they knew it was a UFO

2374
01:28:02,510 --> 01:27:59,520
phenomenon even back then and they hid

2375
01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:02,520
it and altered the uh the mainstream

2376
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:04,380
version now if that sounds too

2377
01:28:09,729 --> 01:28:06,239
far-fetched

2378
01:28:13,070 --> 01:28:09,739
Tyler D the character in American Cosmic

2379
01:28:16,669 --> 01:28:13,080
personally told me in my kitchen

2380
01:28:18,350 --> 01:28:16,679
that he had to firsthand manipulate

2381
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:18,360
mainstream stories so that the masses

2382
01:28:22,669 --> 01:28:20,460
would be deceived not always for evil

2383
01:28:24,410 --> 01:28:22,679
reasons but just you know I'm not saying

2384
01:28:26,689 --> 01:28:24,420
anything evil but sometimes they have to

2385
01:28:29,149 --> 01:28:26,699
like the the um

2386
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:29,159
the uh the Challenger explosion he told

2387
01:28:32,090 --> 01:28:30,480
me that was one of the first things he

2388
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:32,100
worked it was you know back in the 80s

2389
01:28:35,870 --> 01:28:34,080
or whatever and the version that really

2390
01:28:38,350 --> 01:28:35,880
happened was not the same as the

2391
01:28:41,330 --> 01:28:38,360
mainstream version so there is

2392
01:28:44,990 --> 01:28:41,340
definitely a real phenomenon of what the

2393
01:28:47,930 --> 01:28:45,000
masses are consuming is not always real

2394
01:28:49,970 --> 01:28:47,940
that's where I'm coming from when I say

2395
01:28:53,149 --> 01:28:49,980
don't believe everything you read on the

2396
01:28:54,770 --> 01:28:53,159
internet 95 of UFO stuff is

2397
01:28:56,450 --> 01:28:54,780
disinformation

2398
01:28:58,610 --> 01:28:56,460
sorry I'd segued that into a previous

2399
01:29:01,610 --> 01:28:58,620
question but it seemed to fit in

2400
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:01,620
no absolutely that's fine thank you

2401
01:29:05,390 --> 01:29:03,360
um we will have a few more listener

2402
01:29:08,209 --> 01:29:05,400
questions over at patreon.com forward

2403
01:29:09,950 --> 01:29:08,219
slash that UFO podcast again listeners

2404
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,960
are sending in multiple questions so

2405
01:29:13,850 --> 01:29:11,760
some of them will make it make their way

2406
01:29:15,770 --> 01:29:13,860
over there as well just before we finish

2407
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:15,780
up though uh Ryan I've got the quick

2408
01:29:20,570 --> 01:29:17,760
fire round so I'm going to read out a

2409
01:29:22,490 --> 01:29:20,580
few names or tags and just ask you to

2410
01:29:24,169 --> 01:29:22,500
share a few words or a few sentences on

2411
01:29:26,330 --> 01:29:24,179
each one some of them you've touched on

2412
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:26,340
in the body of the interview and others

2413
01:29:32,090 --> 01:29:29,040
that it was not brought up yet okay okay

2414
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:32,100
first one is Bob Lazar

2415
01:29:36,410 --> 01:29:34,800
don't know

2416
01:29:40,250 --> 01:29:36,420
thoughts on the story

2417
01:29:42,530 --> 01:29:40,260
uh honestly you know being one of the

2418
01:29:45,770 --> 01:29:42,540
more known experiencers myself I I try

2419
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:45,780
not to cloud my knowledge with whatever

2420
01:29:49,790 --> 01:29:47,280
I read on the internet I don't know and

2421
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,800
I will say this Tyler Durden

2422
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:51,120
um

2423
01:29:58,490 --> 01:29:54,000
told my dad that he knew him

2424
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:58,500
and that Bob lazar's uh credentials

2425
01:30:03,530 --> 01:30:00,480
really were ruined

2426
01:30:05,149 --> 01:30:03,540
as a cover-up

2427
01:30:08,090 --> 01:30:05,159
that's all I'll say

2428
01:30:09,470 --> 01:30:08,100
good stuff that that that's fair follows

2429
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:09,480
on nicely from George Knapp's interview

2430
01:30:15,950 --> 01:30:13,679
last week there's your thoughts on Louis

2431
01:30:17,930 --> 01:30:15,960
um yeah not yet give it a lesson there

2432
01:30:20,750 --> 01:30:17,940
was some good stuff okay um next up is

2433
01:30:22,610 --> 01:30:20,760
Luis Elizondo your thoughts on Luis he's

2434
01:30:24,830 --> 01:30:22,620
a wonderful guy

2435
01:30:27,709 --> 01:30:24,840
um he is a hardcore patriot who loves

2436
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:27,719
his country he truly does and

2437
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:29,520
um I think that he has contractual

2438
01:30:35,709 --> 01:30:31,199
obligations on behalf of the United

2439
01:30:37,550 --> 01:30:35,719
States government to try to get data

2440
01:30:39,050 --> 01:30:37,560
but

2441
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:39,060
um he's the real deal

2442
01:30:42,770 --> 01:30:41,040
you know he's the real deal he's a

2443
01:30:45,470 --> 01:30:42,780
friend of my father's he's a very good

2444
01:30:49,370 --> 01:30:47,390
the next one I'm asking from a point of

2445
01:30:51,290 --> 01:30:49,380
view of if you have ever had any

2446
01:30:55,790 --> 01:30:51,300
experiences with these or if you even

2447
01:30:57,530 --> 01:30:55,800
think they exist but Men In Black types

2448
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:57,540
yeah I think Tyler Durden would be one

2449
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:00,239
of those you know a group of shadowy

2450
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:03,840
organization type people who

2451
01:31:07,970 --> 01:31:06,000
um kind of like Majestic 12 kind of

2452
01:31:09,290 --> 01:31:07,980
thing I I think it's real but the

2453
01:31:12,890 --> 01:31:09,300
Hollywood version

2454
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:12,900
is a lie I think Tyler Durden is one of

2455
01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:15,360
those people I think Hal pavenmeier was

2456
01:31:18,110 --> 01:31:17,280
kind of like at one point one of those

2457
01:31:21,649 --> 01:31:18,120
people

2458
01:31:27,229 --> 01:31:24,590
awesome your thoughts on the 3D class

2459
01:31:32,030 --> 01:31:27,239
Declassified videos that ttsa released

2460
01:31:35,330 --> 01:31:33,470
well

2461
01:31:37,310 --> 01:31:35,340
that's a tough one

2462
01:31:39,290 --> 01:31:37,320
I knew that something was coming out

2463
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:39,300
before it did I didn't know what it was

2464
01:31:42,050 --> 01:31:40,560
going to be

2465
01:31:45,070 --> 01:31:42,060
um so that was pretty cool

2466
01:31:48,530 --> 01:31:45,080
you know and I do know that it was

2467
01:31:49,970 --> 01:31:48,540
basically Jim who was from what I

2468
01:31:52,010 --> 01:31:49,980
understand responsible for getting those

2469
01:31:54,290 --> 01:31:52,020
out to the world Jim semivan is like the

2470
01:31:56,750 --> 01:31:54,300
Hidden Gem of ufology that nobody has

2471
01:31:59,330 --> 01:31:56,760
access to except very few so I just hope

2472
01:32:01,010 --> 01:31:59,340
that people realize how important Jim is

2473
01:32:03,530 --> 01:32:01,020
um my dad thinks it may be the same

2474
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:03,540
thing that he initially experienced on

2475
01:32:10,430 --> 01:32:08,810
so you you would see these uh Craft on

2476
01:32:12,590 --> 01:32:10,440
human Origins

2477
01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:12,600
oh yeah yeah

2478
01:32:15,530 --> 01:32:14,280
cool awesome

2479
01:32:17,330 --> 01:32:15,540
um hopefully get some more of those this

2480
01:32:20,450 --> 01:32:17,340
year that would be good

2481
01:32:21,649 --> 01:32:20,460
um for you do you prefer the term UFO or

2482
01:32:28,970 --> 01:32:21,659
UAP

2483
01:32:30,649 --> 01:32:28,980
uh media blitz at trying to Rebrand it I

2484
01:32:32,149 --> 01:32:30,659
don't think it needs that I think UFO is

2485
01:32:34,430 --> 01:32:32,159
classic

2486
01:32:35,810 --> 01:32:34,440
um I didn't see you know when I had my

2487
01:32:38,270 --> 01:32:35,820
experience as a child I wasn't seeing

2488
01:32:40,910 --> 01:32:38,280
uaps I was seeing UFOs you know to me it

2489
01:32:43,250 --> 01:32:40,920
has an emotional attachment

2490
01:32:44,510 --> 01:32:43,260
um people can say UAP that's fine I

2491
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:44,520
don't have a problem with that but you

2492
01:32:50,090 --> 01:32:47,280
asked what I prefer UFO

2493
01:32:52,129 --> 01:32:50,100
awesome and the last one Orion what is

2494
01:32:54,189 --> 01:32:52,139
disclosure to you

2495
01:32:56,689 --> 01:32:54,199
disclosure is not from the government

2496
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:56,699
disclosure is the revelation of the

2497
01:33:01,729 --> 01:32:59,280
truth or the Biblical word apocalypse

2498
01:33:03,410 --> 01:33:01,739
which is really again that language box

2499
01:33:04,910 --> 01:33:03,420
people see a word and they have an

2500
01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:04,920
emotional attachment

2501
01:33:10,910 --> 01:33:07,440
what the word apocalypse mean

2502
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:10,920
S is to reveal that which is hidden

2503
01:33:16,669 --> 01:33:14,159
I think that when as a human race we

2504
01:33:19,870 --> 01:33:16,679
come together and we reach that

2505
01:33:21,770 --> 01:33:19,880
state of Love on a collective level

2506
01:33:24,290 --> 01:33:21,780
disclosure will happen and that will be

2507
01:33:26,270 --> 01:33:24,300
the revelation of the truth

2508
01:33:28,490 --> 01:33:26,280
that's disclosure we're not going to be

2509
01:33:31,189 --> 01:33:28,500
dripped Disclosure by some government

2510
01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:31,199
entity they don't own the keys to the

2511
01:33:37,010 --> 01:33:35,450
awesome

2512
01:33:38,330 --> 01:33:37,020
um again folks Ryan will be joining us

2513
01:33:40,370 --> 01:33:38,340
for another couple of minutes he's been

2514
01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:40,380
really good at this time uh over at

2515
01:33:45,169 --> 01:33:42,480
patreon.com forward slash that UFO

2516
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:45,179
podcast Ryan how can people follow you

2517
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:47,040
or get in touch and keep up to date with

2518
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:48,719
your social media presence

2519
01:33:55,310 --> 01:33:52,400
um I just have a Twitter uh it's Ryan D

2520
01:33:57,890 --> 01:33:55,320
Bledsoe so that's it's just my personal

2521
01:34:00,169 --> 01:33:57,900
opinions I'm not like thinking on behalf

2522
01:34:01,729 --> 01:34:00,179
of anybody it's just me kind of I don't

2523
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:01,739
always talk about UFOs I think it's

2524
01:34:04,370 --> 01:34:02,880
boring I think I've been talking about

2525
01:34:06,649 --> 01:34:04,380
them for not no offense I'm not saying

2526
01:34:08,350 --> 01:34:06,659
on this show but like on my Twitter all

2527
01:34:10,910 --> 01:34:08,360
right that's okay

2528
01:34:12,410 --> 01:34:10,920
you know I just mean in general like you

2529
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:12,420
know if you follow me on Twitter keep in

2530
01:34:16,729 --> 01:34:14,880
mind I don't only talk about UFOs I talk

2531
01:34:19,129 --> 01:34:16,739
a lot about my personal ideas and my

2532
01:34:20,990 --> 01:34:19,139
personal thoughts and feelings

2533
01:34:22,610 --> 01:34:21,000
um you know so don't think that you're

2534
01:34:25,610 --> 01:34:22,620
going to be like subscribing to you know

2535
01:34:27,290 --> 01:34:25,620
some UFO news but you can follow me on

2536
01:34:29,390 --> 01:34:27,300
there if you'd like

2537
01:34:30,770 --> 01:34:29,400
awesome that's great right thanks very

2538
01:34:32,090 --> 01:34:30,780
much for joining the podcast look

2539
01:34:33,229 --> 01:34:32,100
forward to getting you back on again in